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	<title>Comments on: Larry Sabato on Obama-Muslim Rumors</title>
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		<title>By: Loviatar</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17317/larry-sabato-on-obama-muslim-rumors/comment-page-1/#comment-144483</link>
		<dc:creator>Loviatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 04:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Good point earlier regarding &lt;i&gt;Holly in Cincinnati&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ve come to notice that Holly is TMV&#039;s &lt;strike&gt;moderate&lt;/strike&gt; neo-con, so it is not surprising that she took the article completely out of context. She tends to filter most of the candidates statements through her; whats good for &lt;strike&gt;Israel&lt;/strike&gt; the Likud Party is good for the US filter and that makes me question the validity of most of her infrequent postings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi,</p>
<p>Good point earlier regarding <i>Holly in Cincinnati</i>.</p>
<p>I&#39;ve come to notice that Holly is TMV&#39;s &lt;strike&gt;moderate&lt;/strike&gt; neo-con, so it is not surprising that she took the article completely out of context. She tends to filter most of the candidates statements through her; whats good for &lt;strike&gt;Israel&lt;/strike&gt; the Likud Party is good for the US filter and that makes me question the validity of most of her infrequent postings.</p>
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		<title>By: happy_hana</title>
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		<dc:creator>happy_hana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that Daniel Pipes is supposed to be any kind of authority on Islam. The idea that faith is inherited is absolutely, fundamentally antithetical to Islam. Islam is about the individual&#039;s relationship with God. No priests or other intermediaries, no &quot;chosen people&quot; inherited status. It would be a heretical position for a Muslim to believe that which Pipes suggests. You are a Muslim when you say and believe, &quot;La ilaha illa &#039;Llah, Muhamaddur rasulu-&#039;Llah&quot;. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yeah,gimme a break-- since when do we choose our leaders out of fear of what a bunch of crackpot thugs think about them? Does Pipes know as little about democracy as he does Islam?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that Daniel Pipes is supposed to be any kind of authority on Islam. The idea that faith is inherited is absolutely, fundamentally antithetical to Islam. Islam is about the individual&#39;s relationship with God. No priests or other intermediaries, no &#8220;chosen people&#8221; inherited status. It would be a heretical position for a Muslim to believe that which Pipes suggests. You are a Muslim when you say and believe, &#8220;La ilaha illa &#39;Llah, Muhamaddur rasulu-&#39;Llah&#8221;. </p>
<p>And yeah,gimme a break&#8211; since when do we choose our leaders out of fear of what a bunch of crackpot thugs think about them? Does Pipes know as little about democracy as he does Islam?</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 23:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure before November we will see some actual posters flat out calling Obama a terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m sure before November we will see some actual posters flat out calling Obama a terrorist.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly you have taken the article completely out of context, then you take this one step further with the Pipes smear. What Holly left out:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Last week, a group of top Jewish leaders representing groups across the religious and political spectrum issued a statement that sought to stem the onslaught of disinformation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Leaders of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee, among others suggested the anti-Obama campaign represented an effort to &quot;drive a wedge between our community and a presidential candidate based on despicable and false attacks and innuendo based on religion.&quot; The group stressed their statement implied no endorsement of Obama’s candidacy.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other signers included leaders of the United Jewish Communities, the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, the Wiesenthal Center and the Jewish Council for Public Affairs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Newsweek magazine also published a &quot;Fact Check&quot; online two weeks ago examining and debunking the charges. And the Obama campaign itself is fighting back hard via press releases, public statements and distribution this week of an &quot;open letter to the Jewish community&quot; from seven Jewish Democratic Senate colleagues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Over the past several weeks, many in the Jewish community have received hateful emails that use falsehood and innuendo about Senator Barack Obama’s religion and attack him personally,&quot; the Jewish lawmakers wrote. &quot;As Jewish United States Senators who have not endorsed a candidate for the Democratic nomination, we condemn these scurrilous attacks. We find it particularly abhorrent that these attacks are apparently being sent specifically to the Jewish community. Jews, who have historically been the target of such attacks, should be the first to reject these tactics.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The letter, written by Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), was signed by Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Missing from the letter: Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a leading supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s Democratic nomination bid, and Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.). Two calls to Schumer’s office seeking information on his absence from the letter were not returned. An Obama campaign source said a decision had been made to stick with senators who were not backing any presidential candidate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Only the likes of Schumer is perpetuating the smear, and Holly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly you have taken the article completely out of context, then you take this one step further with the Pipes smear. What Holly left out:<br />
<blockquote>Last week, a group of top Jewish leaders representing groups across the religious and political spectrum issued a statement that sought to stem the onslaught of disinformation.</p>
<p>Leaders of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, the Anti-Defamation League and the American Jewish Committee, among others suggested the anti-Obama campaign represented an effort to &#8220;drive a wedge between our community and a presidential candidate based on despicable and false attacks and innuendo based on religion.&#8221; The group stressed their statement implied no endorsement of Obama’s candidacy.</p>
<p>Other signers included leaders of the United Jewish Communities, the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, the Wiesenthal Center and the Jewish Council for Public Affairs.</p>
<p>Newsweek magazine also published a &#8220;Fact Check&#8221; online two weeks ago examining and debunking the charges. And the Obama campaign itself is fighting back hard via press releases, public statements and distribution this week of an &#8220;open letter to the Jewish community&#8221; from seven Jewish Democratic Senate colleagues.</p>
<p>&#8220;Over the past several weeks, many in the Jewish community have received hateful emails that use falsehood and innuendo about Senator Barack Obama’s religion and attack him personally,&#8221; the Jewish lawmakers wrote. &#8220;As Jewish United States Senators who have not endorsed a candidate for the Democratic nomination, we condemn these scurrilous attacks. We find it particularly abhorrent that these attacks are apparently being sent specifically to the Jewish community. Jews, who have historically been the target of such attacks, should be the first to reject these tactics.&#8221;</p>
<p>The letter, written by Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), was signed by Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Ben Cardin (D-Md.), Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Ron Wyden (D-Ore.).</p>
<p>Missing from the letter: Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a leading supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton’s Democratic nomination bid, and Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.). Two calls to Schumer’s office seeking information on his absence from the letter were not returned. An Obama campaign source said a decision had been made to stick with senators who were not backing any presidential candidate.</p></blockquote>
<p>Only the likes of Schumer is perpetuating the smear, and Holly.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynx - Muslims never killed Guido in Dearborn when he lumped them into an &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/us/23dearborn.html&quot;&gt;Arab problem&lt;/a&gt;&quot;. The Great Spaghetti god called for him and thanked him with cancer. One day Dearborn will have a Muslim mayor, they have Muslim councilmen. But no Sharia law...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynx &#8211; Muslims never killed Guido in Dearborn when he lumped them into an &#8220;<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/us/23dearborn.html">Arab problem</a>&#8220;. The Great Spaghetti god called for him and thanked him with cancer. One day Dearborn will have a Muslim mayor, they have Muslim councilmen. But no Sharia law&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we would have to be concerned about Muslim extremists trying to kill Obama, because of course Muslim extremists wouldn&#039;t want an American president dead if they didn&#039;t think they could label him as an apostate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Riiiiight.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any American president will be the target of Muslim extremist. How do you think they&#039;ll feel about a female president? Yeah, I&#039;m sure that&#039;ll go down well. The fact of the gender or religion of any American president is besides the point, they&#039;ll want to kill the president no matter who he or she is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If anything, electing Obama MIGHT (only might) serve to give contrast to extremists words in the eyes of ordinary Muslims. It won&#039;t help their rhetoric of the Great Racist Satan if the US elects a man of color with a middle eastern middle name to it&#039;s highest office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we would have to be concerned about Muslim extremists trying to kill Obama, because of course Muslim extremists wouldn&#39;t want an American president dead if they didn&#39;t think they could label him as an apostate.</p>
<p>Riiiiight.</p>
<p>Any American president will be the target of Muslim extremist. How do you think they&#39;ll feel about a female president? Yeah, I&#39;m sure that&#39;ll go down well. The fact of the gender or religion of any American president is besides the point, they&#39;ll want to kill the president no matter who he or she is.</p>
<p>If anything, electing Obama MIGHT (only might) serve to give contrast to extremists words in the eyes of ordinary Muslims. It won&#39;t help their rhetoric of the Great Racist Satan if the US elects a man of color with a middle eastern middle name to it&#39;s highest office.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi,  I was wondering the same thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And should conjecture about &quot;the muslim world&#039;s&quot; reaction really be a factor for choosing a leader?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no unified &quot;muslim world&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi,  I was wondering the same thing.</p>
<p>And should conjecture about &#8220;the muslim world&#39;s&#8221; reaction really be a factor for choosing a leader?</p>
<p>There is no unified &#8220;muslim world&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s highly unlikely that &quot;the Muslim world&quot; would consider Obama an apostate. Some might make the claim, but it&#039;s highly unlikely that it would be a widely held belief. Never forget the decentralization of the Islamic faith compared to many Christian churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#39;s highly unlikely that &#8220;the Muslim world&#8221; would consider Obama an apostate. Some might make the claim, but it&#39;s highly unlikely that it would be a widely held belief. Never forget the decentralization of the Islamic faith compared to many Christian churches.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when are Daniel Pipes smears a valid reason for any argument. Change Obama&#039;s name with Debbie W. Schultz and they are just as ugly and unfounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when are Daniel Pipes smears a valid reason for any argument. Change Obama&#39;s name with Debbie W. Schultz and they are just as ugly and unfounded.</p>
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