Comments on: Will Bill Clinton Blow It For Hillary?

By: bacalove

bacalove — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:37:12 +0000

I can tell you that myself, some friends and family have gotten turned off by the Clinton's behaviour to do anything to win and we will not vote for her if she gets the Democratic nomimnee. Their behavior and distortions like at Meet the Press in which Hilalry said: "Sen. Obama's chief strategist accuses me of playing a role in Benazir Bhutto's assassination.'' When in actuality David Axelrod never made such an accusation. He said former Prime Minister Bhutto's death will ''call into issue the judgment'' of ''taking the eye off the ball and making the wrong judgment in going into Iraq.'' and their recent attempt in voter suppresion in Nevada has shown a lot of people another side to them we did not know existed and it does not look pretty. They have divided the paty and it is a deep division. They seem more like Karl-Rove Republicans than Democrats and it is a shame to see their moral demise!

In the future, there will have to be some kind of Campaign Reform: Rules and Regulations from the Perspective Partiese in the way politicians run their campaigns to keep them truthful and from distorting one another's records.

By: ChrisWWW

ChrisWWW — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:43:59 +0000

I'm not trying to bait you into anything. I just don't see how these nebulous character concerns outweigh what each candidate plans on doing with their time in office. What would be the positive effect of McCain's supposedly superior leadership abilities? Is that effect more important than a drawn down in Iraq or a push for universal health care?

By: shaun

shaun — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:24:27 +0000

Chris WWW:

I not going to take your bait because my vote will not be based exclusively on issues. Example: I would vote for neither Clinton nor McCain just because of their stands on the Iraq war.

I am also concerned with character and leadership ability. McCain gets the edge on both of them.

By: ChrisWWW

ChrisWWW — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:00:38 +0000

That last comment was directed at Shaun

By: ChrisWWW

ChrisWWW — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:57:58 +0000

I'm not saying you should have to agree with any candidate 100% of the time, but issues do matter. And I'm not talking about wedge issues like gay marriage and abortion. I'm curious to know what your top 3 or so issues are, and whether or not McCain or Clinton is closer to your view on those issues.

By: daveinboca

daveinboca — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:57:50 +0000

I like Obama simply because I detest the lethal self-centered solipsism of Clinton Inc, with a smug nanny & narcissistic dildoid playing tag-team against Obama. McCain was right on Iraq and wrong on immigration, but it would be his election to lose if the Dems nominate the Clintons.

B.J. is giving us a preview of what the country has to look forward to if his spouse is elected.

By: DAMOZEL

DAMOZEL — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:14:17 +0000

The Clinton campaign says having Bill go to bat for her is a conscious strategy. A lot of Democrats who don't read blogs or watch the media are very fond of both the Clintons.

While the strategy may backfire, it might be that some voters consider the prospect of the potential "return of the 2-headed monster" to be a good thing. It's possible that the Clintons are as hated among members of the general public, particularly among independents and moderates, as they appear to be on the blogosphere. It's also possible that the average voter isn't following the debates or paying all that much attention to the hillary/Obama sniping (?) Most of the people I talk to don't know a thing about it.

She's not my choice either, but she's never seemed especially smug to me, or not more than the other candidates. I might argue that all of them are (comparatively) smug, entitled, full of themselves rich people surrounded by sycophants and the glow of their many successes; campaign finance laws ensure that we will go on being represented by such.

I wanted Edwards. I don't like Obama any better or worse than Hillary. I might throw him my vote if I decide that he is less "polarizing," and that I need to be worried about this, though I think her platform (pretending for a moment that she could implement it) would be better for me personally. I'm sort of at the place where I am quite prepared to vote for someone I might not personally like on the theory that he or she will work overtime to implement policies that I think would serve my interests.

I wonder whether voters (having had seven years of the likable W) care as much as all that what she or Bill Clinton says or does?

By: PWeather

PWeather — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:37:06 +0000

It would be interesting to know more about what the Democratic National Committee thinks about this. Word on the street is that there is a good deal of (deserved) uneasiness about a party machine which has been grinding along for Hillary and now risking damage from the Clintons' behaviors. Driving home just now, I heard about the latest Field Poll in California. The Clintons have had a solid double-digit lead in that Feb. 5 state — a lead which is now diminishing in favor of Obama. What's holding Obama back in California, aside from the Clinton gang, is John Edwards' persistent candidacy, according to the analyst. As someone who agrees with Edwards' positions on corporations and poverty, I'm glad he's still in the race to keep those issues alive. But as someone who prefers Obama over the Clintons — to put it mildly! — I hope Edwards is canny enough politically to step aside at the right moment.

By: jtaylor555

jtaylor555 — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:08:03 +0000

“Swift Boat Willie” has changed this into the same old politics of division that we have seen for many many years.

By: cosmoetica

cosmoetica — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:40:51 +0000

Hill doesn't need Bill to screw up the General. She can lose it on her own. She's the only of the 3 D's left who can lose.

By: shaun

shaun — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:34:58 +0000

CrisWWW:

The U.S. is in deep do-do and I will not go into the voting booth in November refusing to cast my ballot for someone whom I can abide in general but don't like on particular issues.

I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. You can call me Mr. Pragmatic in 2008.

By: ChrisWWW

ChrisWWW — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:00:26 +0000

I do think that Bill should tone it down. A lot. But McCain as a serious alternative? After all your posts about the Iraq war, I don't know how you can possibly consider him as a viable president.