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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17224/obamas-best-speech-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-126824</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But the nuts and bolts are in Obama&#039;s policy positions, and the implication that those who have less embracing policy positions than him scorn gays, or don&#039;t seek equal opportunities for immigrants.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Okay.  Thank you for clarifying.  I mistakenly thought you had responded to Obama&#039;s speech, or David&#039;s post.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Myself, I feel that while any time someone says &quot;everybody&quot; or &quot;all&quot; who support certain policies are bigoted / liberal (take your choice), they&#039;re overgeneralizing.  OTOH, it&#039;s very hard to deny that there&#039;s a large element of homophobia in some of the rhetoric from some segments of society, and there&#039;s also a healthy dose of bigotry coming from some segments in the immigration debates.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because &#039;everybody&quot; isn&#039;t bigoted or homophobic doesn&#039;t mean no-one is, and I think your claim that there are &quot;very few&quot; is somewhat optimistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But the nuts and bolts are in Obama&#39;s policy positions, and the implication that those who have less embracing policy positions than him scorn gays, or don&#39;t seek equal opportunities for immigrants.</em>&#8220;</p>
<p>Okay.  Thank you for clarifying.  I mistakenly thought you had responded to Obama&#39;s speech, or David&#39;s post.</p>
<p>Myself, I feel that while any time someone says &#8220;everybody&#8221; or &#8220;all&#8221; who support certain policies are bigoted / liberal (take your choice), they&#39;re overgeneralizing.  OTOH, it&#39;s very hard to deny that there&#39;s a large element of homophobia in some of the rhetoric from some segments of society, and there&#39;s also a healthy dose of bigotry coming from some segments in the immigration debates.</p>
<p>Because &#39;everybody&#8221; isn&#39;t bigoted or homophobic doesn&#39;t mean no-one is, and I think your claim that there are &#8220;very few&#8221; is somewhat optimistic.</p>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17224/obamas-best-speech-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-126823</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polimon,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because in reality very few people are anti-immigrant or anti-gay. Obama has in past statements implied that people with tough stances on illegal immigration are bigoted, and I&#039;d have to look that up to show you. But the nuts and bolts are in Obama&#039;s policy positions, and the implication that those who have less embracing policy positions than him scorn gays, or don&#039;t seek equal opportunities for immigrants.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My point in that, is that he can&#039;t transcend Democratic politics, and embrace &quot;red states and blue states&quot; if he doesn&#039;t budge an inch on this type of stance. He may truly want bi-partisanship, and I think he does, but his policy positions and rhetoric on specific issues don&#039;t represent that. Remember, Bush also ran as a &quot;uniter, not a divider&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My point is that he can&#039;t appeal to Democratic primary voters and to &quot;red states&quot; at the same time---and that, yes, its a problem with being a Democrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polimon,</p>
<p>Because in reality very few people are anti-immigrant or anti-gay. Obama has in past statements implied that people with tough stances on illegal immigration are bigoted, and I&#39;d have to look that up to show you. But the nuts and bolts are in Obama&#39;s policy positions, and the implication that those who have less embracing policy positions than him scorn gays, or don&#39;t seek equal opportunities for immigrants.</p>
<p>My point in that, is that he can&#39;t transcend Democratic politics, and embrace &#8220;red states and blue states&#8221; if he doesn&#39;t budge an inch on this type of stance. He may truly want bi-partisanship, and I think he does, but his policy positions and rhetoric on specific issues don&#39;t represent that. Remember, Bush also ran as a &#8220;uniter, not a divider&#8221;</p>
<p>My point is that he can&#39;t appeal to Democratic primary voters and to &#8220;red states&#8221; at the same time&#8212;and that, yes, its a problem with being a Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17224/obamas-best-speech-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-126822</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>redfish, with all due respect, you lost me totally with your comment.  You said,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;em&gt;Its a nice thing to embrace immigrants and gays; but its an untruth to say that political opposition to these issues is based on bigotry.&lt;/em&gt;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I missed it, I guess.  Where did he say that?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;em&gt;Obama says we are One America, but vote Democrat.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the primary campaign.  To vote for him at the moment, you really pretty much &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to vote Democrat.  Is your objection that he&#039;s a Democrat altogether?  Because that&#039;s a different issue entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>redfish, with all due respect, you lost me totally with your comment.  You said,</p>
<p><em>Its a nice thing to embrace immigrants and gays; but its an untruth to say that political opposition to these issues is based on bigotry.</em>  </p>
<p>I missed it, I guess.  Where did he say that?</p>
<p><em>Obama says we are One America, but vote Democrat.</em></p>
<p>This is the primary campaign.  To vote for him at the moment, you really pretty much <em>have</em> to vote Democrat.  Is your objection that he&#39;s a Democrat altogether?  Because that&#39;s a different issue entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17224/obamas-best-speech-of-the-season/comment-page-1/#comment-126821</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, someone neither a Republican or Democrat, this actually is another example of how Obama can say nice sounding things but be completely empty. Its a nice thing to embrace immigrants and gays; but its an untruth to say that political opposition to these issues is based on bigotry. Obama says we are One America, but vote Democrat. Like Howard Dean said, evil bigoted soulless Republicans are dividing America.  I support Obama&#039;s wish to change politics and forge bipartisan policy, but its not going to happen if he doesn&#039;t move an inch from liberal policies. That&#039;s why Obama&#039;s calls for Change are hollow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, someone neither a Republican or Democrat, this actually is another example of how Obama can say nice sounding things but be completely empty. Its a nice thing to embrace immigrants and gays; but its an untruth to say that political opposition to these issues is based on bigotry. Obama says we are One America, but vote Democrat. Like Howard Dean said, evil bigoted soulless Republicans are dividing America.  I support Obama&#39;s wish to change politics and forge bipartisan policy, but its not going to happen if he doesn&#39;t move an inch from liberal policies. That&#39;s why Obama&#39;s calls for Change are hollow.</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fine example of why I like Obama.  Many imply that all he does is talk a good game.  I think thats half of being a leader.   Perhaps even more.  I do not doubt for a second that JFK&#039;s words inspiring a nation to land on the moon resulted in the decade with the most incredible technological leaps we&#039;ve made before or since.  Notice how instead of just repeating safe lines Obama actually reminds people that its not just his job to make life better for us, its our job too.   Group effort here.   He&#039;s the only candidate that not only answers the question put to him, he makes me realize that I need to reflect on the question as well instead of waiting to just see his take on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fine example of why I like Obama.  Many imply that all he does is talk a good game.  I think thats half of being a leader.   Perhaps even more.  I do not doubt for a second that JFK&#39;s words inspiring a nation to land on the moon resulted in the decade with the most incredible technological leaps we&#39;ve made before or since.  Notice how instead of just repeating safe lines Obama actually reminds people that its not just his job to make life better for us, its our job too.   Group effort here.   He&#39;s the only candidate that not only answers the question put to him, he makes me realize that I need to reflect on the question as well instead of waiting to just see his take on it.</p>
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