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The Church of Ronald Reagan

Bill Clinton rode the failure of Reaganomics all the way to the White House in 1992 ("It’s the economy, stupid").  In 1991, he said:

“The Reagan-Bush years…have exalted private gain over public obligation, special interests over the common good, wealth and fame over work and family. The 1980s ushered in a Gilded Age of greed and selfishness, of irresponsibility and excess, and of neglect.

This is true. So I have to admire the ingenuity of Republicans who have managed,  in the words of Paul Krugman, to "change the narrative."  I do not always by any means always agree with Paul Krugman, but in this instance he is dead on. 

Those who didn’t worship the Gipper and his grandfatherly twinkle could see way before his illness was announced that he had problems processing information and recalling his own policy decisions (cf. Paul Slansky, The Clothes Have No Emperor).  The Iran-Contra scandal (which it later appeared he really didn’t remember), was a grim precursor of the unchecked wielding of executive power characteristic of the current Bush Administration. 

How, then, has Reagan been recast as the ideal Republican, whose giant shoes the current crop would be happy to fill?  The elevation of Ronald Reagan to Republican sacred cow makes it hard to resist the notion that  Republicans really are an especially trusting people.  Do they—like Reagan himself—really not recall? Or were they all too young or too busy disco-dancing?

Bush-2 is what I’d call the logical successor to the policies of the Reagan era, particularly on the economic front.  When he was elected, the fear of all the moderate Democrats I knew was that Bush would turn back the clock to the Reagan era.  And that is exactly what he did. 

If you, like Barack Obama, see the Eighties as a Golden Age of prosperity and "dynamism," economist  Krugman would like to remind you how it really was.

The Reagan economy was a one-hit wonder. Yes, there was a boom in the mid-1980s, as the economy recovered from a severe recession. But while the rich got much richer, there was little sustained economic improvement for most Americans. By the late 1980s, middle-class incomes were barely higher than they had been a decade before…. (NYT ; emphasis added)

Things did get better, but that wasn’t until Clinton was in the White House. (NYT)

Eventually productivity did take off — but even the Bush administration’s own Council of Economic Advisers dates the beginning of that takeoff to 1995.

Similarly, if a sense of entrepreneurship means having confidence in the talents of American business leaders, that didn’t happen in the 1980s, when all the business books seemed to have samurai warriors on their covers. Like productivity, American business prestige didn’t stage a comeback until the mid-1990s, when the U.S. began to reassert its technological and economic leadership. (NYT)

The usual argument of conservatives that these Clinton-era advancements were due to tax cuts that Ronald Reagan made 14 years before makes as little sense to me as to Paul Krugman.(NYT) And while I don’t think that Bill Clinton was single-handedly responsible for the Clinton-era prosperity, his administration at least created a climate where it could flourish.

Those of  us who were there for the Eighties and paying attention can easily recognize Bush-2’s economics policies as the direct descendants of trickle-down Reaganomics:

Like Ronald Reagan, President Bush began his term in office with big tax cuts for the rich and promises that the benefits would trickle down to the middle class. Like Reagan, he also began his term with an economic slump, then claimed that the recovery from that slump proved the success of his policies.

And like Reaganomics — but more quickly — Bushonomics has ended in grief. …Wages are lagging behind inflation. Employment growth in the Bush years has been pathetic compared with job creation in the Clinton era. Even if we don’t have a formal recession — and the odds now are that we will — the optimism of the 1990s has evaporated. (NYT; emphasis added)

Bush-2 has been a disaster for average Republican voters, who—not being idiots or ideologues—can presumably see for themselves that eight years of Bush hasn’t left them better off. 

Republicans who have lost their homes, jobs, health insurance, or pensions—the plight of many in my South Carolina hometown after the local textile mill shipped jobs to the far east and closed down what was formerly the largest cotton mill in the world under one roof—doubtless feel betrayed.  After all, they’re Republicans; they don’t approve of people who are unemployed and accepting government benefits. 

And even when they find alternative employment, it’s often at much lower wages than they were receiving before.  Many are living off credit cards, which is why the 2005 bankruptcy law changes is nice (for the credit card companies).  And though their knees might still jerk reflexively at the call for lower taxes, it might occur to some of them that their taxes are already lower, thanks to their reduced earnings.

I understand the public relations need of Republicans to create an iconic figure to rally round.  But why Ronald Reagan?  Evidently facts are less stubborn than advertised….

  • Damozel, Adams' quote applies quite nicely here. I'm glad you linked it:

    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

    And it's a fact, however overlooked lately, that Barack Obama did not say the first thing about Reaganomics, or Reagan's policies. Krugman's involved in his own little war with Obama, and inventing words to which he can then respond.
  • casualobserver
    Always glad to see another Krugman apostle taking up residence. I'd rather read you guys quoting Moulitsas. At least that guy isn't such a wimp.
  • cosmoetica
    Reagan was a disaster for the working class, but the ecology-avoiding, toilet Flushing (NAFTA) Bush-Gore years were just an extension of Reaganism- the rich got even richer, and the poor poorer.

    This is why Hillary is really a DINO- she's a corporatist, and that's why an Edwards, or failing him, Obama, is needed.
  • redfish
    The Reagan era wasn't as great and flawless as his admirers say, but Obama is right to say that Reagan won because people felt Democratic policies, especially in Jimmy Carter's term, failed, and that Republicans got into office in 1994 on issues of reform and reducing government---to the point that Bill Clinton had to adopt their policies and announce to the country "The era of Big Government is over". So Obama is not wrong in saying, the Reagan revolution reacted to the excesses of liberal policies. If liberal policies make way now, it will be a reaction to excesses of conservative policies. Read that clearly. *Excesses.* Because the mainstream right now wants centrism and moderation. And while this site is called "The Moderate Voice" any kowtowing to Krugman and a failure to admit Obama is right about Republican gaining power, and thinks its all about 'framing the narrative', doesn't understand what the center is all about.
  • redfish
    cosmoetica,

    btw, free trade policies began in the 70s , before reagan, and a big bloc of the republican party was always against free trade. NAFTA isn't a democrat-republican issue , it represents another political divide, that cuts across party lines, and isn't formally recognized. people who jump in with the democrats by assuming republicans are pro-rich , and democrats are pro-poor, are , i think you will see, just buying the democratic party line on it.
  • crae
    One of the reasons I like this blog is because it generally is a true "no-spin" zone. So I was very very disappointed to see a new blogger misrepresent Obama's comment about Reagan. He made no reference to Reagan's economic programs (which I agree hurt most Americans in the end) nor did he suggest anything positive about them.Rather he talked about the times. And it was a defining time for Americans. After the Nixon fiasco and Vietnam-and Carter's presidency, Americans were feeling discouraged and needed a lift. Reagan did give back to Americans a sense of pride in their country that we hadn't felt as a nation in a long time. Good grief. How can anyone forget the LA Olympics?? I think that is why he is so fondly remembered-because we associate him with a good feeling about ourselves. (We forget the terrible things) Please- haven't we had enough of "intentional misunderstandings?"
  • DAMOZEL
    Redfish and Casualobserver: I am most certainly NOT a Krugman apostle nor would I dream of "kowtowing to him." But I was around during the Reagan era and his observations IN THIS INSTANCE reflect my own experience. This is why I quoted him.

    Polimom and Redfish: I intended my comment about Obama to be tongue in cheek. I see it didn't come off.

    As for Krugman being at war with Obama, this may well be true. I don't go to Paul Krugman for my opinions.

    Redfish: I don't pretend to be a "centrist" and in fact am not even sure what this means. But it is certainly the case that SOME REPUBLICANS have successfully framed the Reagan narrative, as can be seen by his frequently being cited by the various candidates as a role model. He is the hero of many Republicans I know.

    If we have to have labels, I am currently a moderate Democrat who believes that the goal of political dialogue includes hearing from people of diverse views. At another time in my life (during the Carter years) I was a Republican, though I drew the line at Reagan. I'm a moderate because I'm willing to hear from people who hold positions other than my own and to make adjustments in my own opinions. Finally, I'm a moderate because I value consensus, bipartisanship, and the decencies of political discourse.

    I put my opinion about Reagan out there because I'm concerned at the way he's being reframed as the Exemplary Republican.

    Crae: I'm not trying to "spin" anything. I was around during the Reagan years, and everything that went along with them, and regard it as a bad time for Americans. I am glad you feel good when you think about Reagan. I feel quite differently. I voted for Ford, but I knew from the start Reagan was a bridge too far for me.

    But honestly, I'm very sorry NOW for tweaking Obama...though I still say that he brought it on himself....
  • redfish
    crae,

    yes thats all true, but Obama did reference that he thought Republicans did respond to liberal excess and were the party of ideas.

    i don't think you have to agree with Reagan or the Republican party, to give some credit to their criticisms of liberal policy at the time or some credit to their own proposals. The idea that sometimes tax cuts help the economy is a valid point. If some modern republicans have gone too far with it and think its the only sound policy, thats their excess.

    But Democrats are not going to be centrists by going back pre-Reagan and denying that anything good , or lasting, came out of Republican politics.

    I think Bill and Hillary Clinton had to come to grips with this when they were in the white house, but, there is also too much pandering to the idea that Democrats are right and Republicans are wrong. Its politics and spin for you. Though something Clinton himself perfected.
  • cosmoetica
    Red: I realize Nafta & similar ideas cut across lines, which is why I said that Clinton (not Bush- type)-Gore years were a continuation of Reaganism.

    However, a thing that is often lost with the idea(l) of moderation is that all opinions will be centrist. I am pro-abortion but anti-gun control. I am pro gay marriage but pro-small (or technically, efficient) government. I am a social liberal but true fiscal conservative (unlike Bush & Reagan).

    I dislike Hillary and W, but think neither is evil- just a hack and a dumb ass. Cheney, however....EVIL!

    Tax cuts can be good, if given to the poor. Money always seeps upward, as if via tree roots. Trickle down proved that money watered up top never rolls down hill. A rising tide swamps the poor, it does not raise them.

    Government regulation is good and often necessary although government spending (earmarks and pork barrel) is often wasteful and disgraceful.

    The Republicans, of recent years, have embraced some downright evil ideas and policies, but the Democrats have offered NOTHING. They are wholly void, so the reason the country is in a mess lies with the electorate that keeps vacillating between wickedry and nihility.

    There are some policies that are bad because of their excesses, but others are bad because they are fundamentally bad, period.
  • redfish
    cosmoetica,

    theres a difference between a moderation in being eclectic on policies, and moderation a single issue. for instance, most americans believe that later term abortions should have more restrictions and partial birth abortions banned, but early term abortions be allowed freely. Also that abortions should generally require parental notification. Its a position allowed by Roe v Wade, although court decisions and policies since Roe v Wade have been more liberal. Adding to that there are always legitimate questions of whether the court overstepped its authority.

    Its really the fact that each respective party has its hip tied to more extreme elements that sometimes bring rhetoric away from the center. But, I think if you take this issue, for instance, Republicans, in pushing to ban partial birth abortions, and asking for laws that require parental notification in most cases, have been appealing more to the center than Democrats. Which is I think, one of the reasons Republicans had been winning for a long time, because they staked out appeals to the center.

    I think both Clinton and Bush have put forth policies aimed at the center, although both had been divisive and failed to accomplish what they wanted adn failed to reach the center on real terms.

    I think if you take all of the political issues together, you can come to a platform which is moderate on every issue.
  • DLS
    Krugman not only is a liberal and Democratic Party hack but he is a Democratic Party machine establishmentarian hack. Given his frequently false and often changing statements, you can't trust him that much more than you can trust the Clintons.
  • DLS
    As to Ronald Reagan (who indeed was a relief and rescue from failed liberal policies), the following righty writeup advises against sainthood for the guy:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_8025805
  • cosmoetica
    Red: 'theres a difference between a moderation in being eclectic on policies, and moderation a single issue.'

    I stated that in different words.

    'But, I think if you take this issue, for instance, Republicans, in pushing to ban partial birth abortions, and asking for laws that require parental notification in most cases, have been appealing more to the center than Democrats.'

    Well, not if you really understand the science off abortion and the medical terminology. Ex- 'Partial Birth Abortion' is an ad hoc term made up by anti-abs that has no medical validity and is logically false. Since all abortions are done vaginally, as ex, all abortions are, technically, partial birth. The real term is D&C, Dilation and Curetage.

    So, right away, the Right is blatantly distorting and lying about the issue. That's hardly a moderate thing to do.

    I disagree that you can be moderate on every issue. Ex- The 2nd Amendment. I've read it and it clearly allows gun ownership for everyone part of the militia- i.e- anyone in the military, Selective Service, or able to be called up to defend the country, part of the 'well-regulated militia.' I.e.- almost all adults. So, there is no moderation on the issue. You either are pro or con. To be honest, however, one shd seek to overturn the amendment with another amendment, because the issue is clear as a bell.

    Abortion, however, is not mentioned, although it can be seen as being under the 13th & 14th Amendments which basically granted sovereignty of the self and the body to all human beings (as a fetus is a clump of cells, scientifically), under the pursuit of happiness, etc., and even as a basic right of self-preservation.

    In both cases there really is not a 'moderate' position, you either believe in the right to armed self-defense sans government intervention and the right to be sovereign over one's body, or you do not.

    However, the fact that one can recognize that not all things have grays, is itself a gray area.
  • redfish
    Yes, you can be moderate on gun ownership, saying there should be no bans that have the effect of preventing regular citizens from owning guns , but that background checks don't violate the Constitution.

    Its also not relevant if the term 'partial birth abortion' has to do with science or politics. The point is you can be for restrictions on late term abortions, or specific abortion procedures. The reason the Left is so intent on opposing the Right on this issue is because they consider it a "stealth issue" to ban all abortions, that once this is banned, extremists on the Right will try to push further and use precedent.
  • redfish
    And yes, not all things have greys. But thing that don't have greys tend to be about principle rather than pragmatism; in either case pragmatism and principle have to support each other, otherwise either are useless.
  • DAMOZEL
    Mightn't it be better to avoid the labels and concentrate on the issues? Seems to me that a true "moderate" is someone who is open to hearing both sides (since that's the way you thresh out bad ideas). I just don't think in those terms.

    DLS, Krugman is certainly a progressive and a partisan. I know some very intelligent people (whose opinions I have grounds to respect) who consider him quite trustworthy.

    But I repeat: quoting him in support of one point doesn't necessarily represent a blanket endorsement of everything he stands for. To me, being a moderate means being able and willing to separate the wheat from the chaff. Isn't it possible to disagree with someone on some points and agree with them on others?
  • redfish
    I don't know what other issues you want to raise, but I'm sure you realize that the whole issue of what makes a "person" was discussed in Roe v Wade, and the issue for the judges was viability, if the fetus was developed enough and could survive outside the womb. Also the courts have made numerous judgments on the 2nd amendment. Even if you take your interpretation of what it means, in regards, to 'anyone who would be called into military service' you can exclude the insane and felons legally. The court also ruled the freedom specifically refers to carrying arms that would be suitable for a soldier or militia member
  • redfish
    moderate means, taking people with opposing opinions both seriously and trying to arrive at some common ground which takes care of both of their concerns. In some cases, that might mean selecting a "liberal" policy more than a "conservative" policy, or supporting a "liberal" candidate over a "conservative" candidate, but in either case, it does mean taking all sides seriously.

    You don't take a side seriously by belittling all their concerns, and that fits Krugman.
  • DLS
    "Krugman is certainly a progressive and a partisan"

    That is an understatement.

    "Isn't it possible to disagree with someone on some points and agree with them on others?"

    Yes. Even Bill Clinton has been correct and told the truth once in a while. And no, George Bush is not responsible for everything that goes bad everywhere in this world. If Krugman ever says something correct I'll notice it (though I'm not obliged to note it).

    * * *

    "The reason the Left is so intent on opposing the Right on this issue is because they consider it a 'stealth issue' to ban all abortions"

    Of course, and in addition they grip with white knuckles the illegitimate Roe v. Wade ruling because if the Constitution were followed, abortion would correctly be left to the state and local governments and the people in them to regulate as they see fit, and that might result in the horrifying condition of being told the word "no."
  • cosmoetica
    Red: 'Yes, you can be moderate on gun ownership, saying there should be no bans that have the effect of preventing regular citizens from owning guns , but that background checks don't violate the Constitution.'

    But background checks could deny an ex-con, who has been rehabilitated, and still lives in a crime-ridden area, the right to preserve his or his family's safety. It's still a restriction, therefore not moderate. And, if the nation wants such, and we do away with the 2nd Amend, so be it. I've never owned a gun. But, either you're prego or not, you support the defined right to possess firearms or not.

    'The reason the Left is so intent on opposing the Right on this issue is because they consider it a "stealth issue" to ban all abortions, that once this is banned, extremists on the Right will try to push further and use precedent.'

    Yes, and history, and the very claims of the far right show this is so, but the Left, and indeed, all Constitutionalists (the same who should be in solidarity with the 2nd Amend types) DO support abortion because it is basic to personal sovereignty, as well as the realpolitik reason you mention.

    'But thing that don't have greys tend to be about principle rather than pragmatism; in either case pragmatism and principle have to support each other, otherwise either are useless.'

    Depends- see The US Civil War. hardly a pragmatic solution to a problem that was economic. But, once it becomes principled in its stand, pragmatism be damned.

    'I don't know what other issues you want to raise, but I'm sure you realize that the whole issue of what makes a "person" was discussed in Roe v Wade, and the issue for the judges was viability, if the fetus was developed enough and could survive outside the womb.'

    Re: Roe, it's a good example of science passing the issue by because in a decade or so wombs may become obsolete, so the issue then turns on does an individual have sovereignty over genetic destiny. If a man and woman copulate, she gets pregnant and wants to abort, ok, but does the man then have the right to put the fetus in an artificial womb and raise it on his own, against the mom's objections? Or do both have to sign off on the fetus reaching birth? The fetus's 'rights' are nonexistent, so the battle becomes over whether or not viability means at conception or not. Is every unfertlized egg a death? Is masturbation mass murder? These seem sill, and are, but there are people who raise silly points to try to make slightly less silly points seem reasonable. You've mentioned one such Right Wing tack- the Silent Scream was another.

    'Also the courts have made numerous judgments on the 2nd amendment. Even if you take your interpretation of what it means, in regards, to 'anyone who would be called into military service' you can exclude the insane and felons legally. The court also ruled the freedom specifically refers to carrying arms that would be suitable for a soldier or militia member''

    I agree that the insane, felons, the infirm, minors, etc. are and can be excluded, but few argue for their being armed. As for what arms are included, well here is where the Constitution is so wonderfully vague. AK47s were not around in the 18th C. nor many other nasty arms. But, sense dictates you work with what is there, and go by the dictum, I believe stated within, 9th Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. I.e.- when telecommunications came along an existing framework existed which led to the denial of legal wiretapping sans specific cause and a judge's order.

    I'm not a reader of Krugman, but when you type: 'moderate means, taking people with opposing opinions both seriously and trying to arrive at some common ground which takes care of both of their concerns....You don't take a side seriously by belittling all their concerns, and that fits Krugman.' you negate your own words.

    See Damozel's 'But I repeat: quoting him in support of one point doesn't necessarily represent a blanket endorsement of everything he stands for. To me, being a moderate means being able and willing to separate the wheat from the chaff. Isn't it possible to disagree with someone on some points and agree with them on others?'
  • cosmoetica
    DLS: '"The reason the Left is so intent on opposing the Right on this issue is because they consider it a 'stealth issue' to ban all abortions"
    Of course, and in addition they grip with white knuckles the illegitimate Roe v. Wade ruling because if the Constitution were followed, abortion would correctly be left to the state and local governments and the people in them to regulate as they see fit, and that might result in the horrifying condition of being told the word "no."'

    Except, as noted above, Roe fits in rather easily with already enumerated rights in the Constitution, which supercedes any state decalarations on same. Sorry, the illegit label on Roe is a losing tack for the Right, just as the screeching Left's anti-Gun BS is for them.

    Both Right & Left have to deal with the fact that the Constitution allows bodily sovereignty, and the right to defend such w arms. Pretty moderate, I'd say.
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