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Obama and Clinton Would Face Tough Decision on Running Mates, Part 2

John Adams, the second president of the United States was, as far as I can determine, the first person to observe that “facts are stubborn things.” The observation may be true. But Adams’ insistence on looking only at the facts may partially explain why he was a one-term president denied re-election in 1800 and was, until David McCullough published a winsome biography of Adams several years ago, he was the most forgotten of the Founding Fathers.

In politics, perceptions are even more important than facts, something which our most politically successful presidents, like Franklin Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, have understood.

The facts are that of the three most popular candidates for the Democratic nomination for president, Illinois Senator Barack Obama has the most experience. He has spent more time in elective political office than either New York’s Hillary Clinton or former North Carolina Senator John Edwards. He has also spent more time “in the trenches,” so to speak, working as a community organizer, interacting with government to provide people with services and political clout, than Edwards and certainly more than Clinton, whose claim to “thirty-five years” of experience is one more example of Clintonian hyperbole.

But perceptions are stubborn things. Hillary Clinton’s time in the public eye is apparently perceived as political experience. The fact that Obama came onto the national radar just three-and-a-half years ago with his keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention means that he’s seen as relatively inexperienced by comparison with Clinton.

In some sense, the Obama campaign may not mind ceding the experience title to Clinton. In portraying himself as a change agent, Obama may find it useful for Clinton to insist that she has the experience, making it easier for Obama (and voters in the primaries) to paint Clinton as the latest pretender in the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton War of the Roses-style battle for succession to the throne.

Nonetheless, in the general election, should he be the Democratic nominee for president, Obama is going to have to deal with accusations that he is an inexperienced naif, especially as it relates to national security issues.

Obama, like Clinton, will have to reassure the country that he will protect the United States. So, some of the imperatives for picking a vice presidential running mate with strong national security credentials that would face Clinton were she the Democratic presidential nominee also face the Illinois senator. But the “inexperience” accusation, along with his being the first African-American to be nominated for the presidency by a major party, would, it seems, add to the complexity of Obama’s deliberations over who to select as his running mate.

Unlike Clinton, Obama, who has been using former Secretary of State and Joint Chiefs chair Colin Powell as an informal adviser, couldn’t ask Powell to be his running mate. While I believe that the United States has long been prepared to elect an African-American or a woman to be president, it seems unlikely that the country would elect two Blacks (or two women) in the same year. (For now.) Besides, Obama would gain less politically from having Powell on his ticket than Clinton would.

I imagine that the Obama campaign would give Delaware’s Joe Biden a good lookfor veep. Biden was, by far, the most credentialed and, in many ways, the most interesting candidate for the Democratic nomination this year. I believe that he exorcised many of the demons that had previously effected perceptions of him. Biden, a veteran chair of both the Senate Foreign Relations and Judiciary committees, probably enjoys more respect today than at any time in his public career. He has strong national security credentials, having dealt with these issues in a high profile way for decades. He definitely has the kind of experience that Obama lacks.

Yet, in the end, I don’t think that Biden would be a good choice for Obama. The Delaware senator has no executive experience and more importantly, two senators heading a national ticket can be poisonous. (Kennedy/Johnson in 1960 is a notable exception.)

Ideally, Obama would choose someone with experience as a governor who has strong national security credentials. Being a governor has long been highly valued in presidential politics. US voters seem to see experience as a governor as directly relevant to the presidency. (Unfortunately, Averill Harriman isn’t available this year.)

When speaking of a living governor with national security experience, one automatically thinks of New Mexico’s Bill Richardson. (He suggests himself as a possible running mate for Clinton as well.) But Richardson has so failed to catch on with voters that it seems he has failed to exorcise the demons that have attached to him. People really don’t know Richardson, which may be why he hasn’t fired people’s imaginations even as a second choice for president. But there are character questions that may make the distinguished New Mexioc governor too big a roll of the dice for Obama.

Evan Bayh could be a good choice for Obama’s running mate. Bayh is a former governor of Indiana and now represents the state in the Senate. He’s perceived by many as having strong national security credentials. His abortive bid for the presidency hasn’t hurt him. For Obama, Bayh may also be attractive because the Indiana senator currently supports Hillary Clinton, thus affording an opportunity for unifying the Democratic party for the fall campaign.

Historically, it would have been unacceptable for a vice presidential candidate to come from the presidential candidate’s neighboring state. But the team of Clinton-Gore in 1992 proved that some of the old ticket balancing imperatives are receding in importance.

Former general Wesley Clark, also currently supporting Clinton, is another strongly-credentialed person Obama could turn to as his running mate. Clark too, could represent an additional opportunity to unify the Democratic Party after a brusing nomination fight.

When one casts about for other Democratic governors, with their valued executive experience, as potential running mates for Obama, none really stands out. Eliot Spitzer in New York has only held his office since January of last year and has gotten himself into some unwanted trouble over the immigration issue. He also would do nothing for Obama on national security issues. Former Iowa governor and presidential candidate Tom Vilsack, with his impressive up-from-nowhere life story, who also is a Clinton supporter, also wouldn’t help Obama on national security issues.

To deal with perceptions of him as lacking experience and to shore up his national security cache, Obama could probably do no worse than to pick Evan Bayh as his vice presidential running mate.

Of course, first the Illinois senator must first wrest the presidential nomination of his party from the slick, influential, and brutal Clinton campaign apparatus.

  • elrod
    How about Jim Webb? He's a white, Southern former Republican Navy Secretary in the Reagan Administration.
  • Dave_Schuler
    Please close the italics on this post. It's affecting the remainder of the posts on the page.
  • cosmoetica
    Thanks for pointing out what I've said before- that Obama is the more experienced office holder- it's just not been in DC.
  • pennywit
    I'm surprise you overlooked retired Gen. Anthony Zini. I'm not sure what his political ambitions are, but he has a very, very strong mix of what the Democrats might want in a veep:
    <ul>
    <li>He has military experience and a deep familiarity with the Middle East.</li>
    <li>He is on the record as being highly critical of President Bush's invasion of Iraq.</li>
    </ul>
  • PollM
    Who do you predict will win the Democratic Nevada Presidential Caucus?

    http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1551

    .
  • tomwatson
    Speaking of stubborn things, the premise of this post is a lie.

    You refuse to accept Hillary Clinton's public service as public service - yes, if you consider elected office only, Obama holds a slight edge. But then you slide into other experience, and right into the blatant untruth.

    And you show your semi-unhinged bias: "one more example of Clintonian hyperbole."

    You also care not a bit for the example of Eleanor Roosevelt, clearly - thereby doing a disservice to all Democratic women.

    This sad sentence stands out: "Hillary Clinton’s time in the public eye is apparently perceived as political experience."

    Yes, VERY apparently.
  • DLS
    I already posted my VP notes, which puts Bayh with Clinton, which makes more sense.
  • Amanda
    tomwatson - I can certainly see your argument and it makes sense. Hillary Clinton has a long history of public service and there's no denying it. I do find two things about her to be questionable, though. The first is that she hasn't released her records from her time as First Lady. If she wants to include her 8 years as a very public and very active First Lady in her resume, then she should release those records so the voting public can make an informed decision. The second is her judgement/temperament as a leader. This is just one person's opinion, but I think her saber-rattling attitude towards Iran is just plain bad. Not that we should be inviting them over for tea and cake or anything, but the whole Kyl-Lieberman mess is the exact opposite of constructive diplomacy and she has never adequately explained why she voted for it. And on top of that, I think her idea for national health care amounts to nothing more than mandatory insurance which benefits the insurance and pharmaceutical industries a lot more than it helps low and middle income families. Considering that those industries have contributed a great deal to her campaigns, I do have to wonder if she is playing the "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" game with American lives and dollars at stake.
  • cosmoetica
    Tom: You may have experience as a blogger, but that does not mean you would be good at PR. They are different spheres.

    Of course, TMV allows expressions by all sides to be displayed, unlike you, who regularly edit out comments and people you disagree with at your own blogs.

    There is a larger world than your echo chamber.
  • Interestingly, in the interview Obama gave to the Reno Gazette-Journal (that's causing such a uproar with the mention of Reagan), he talks about what he'd look for in a running-mate, and why.

    No names, of course, but he discusses "military experience" as an asset to close a gap. Alternatively, he also thought an economist might be a useful fit.
  • MJDaniels53
    Tom:
    My aside regarding Senator Clinton related to her insistence on disparaging Senator Obama's experience. It's unfair and it doesn't square with the facts.

    No doubt, Clinton was a counselor to her huband throughout his political career and she is an undeniably intelligent and able woman. I have said such things about her many times on my own personal blog and here. But her personal political experience, both in and out of elective office, is thin compared with Obama's. Her insistence that she is the more experienced of the two is false and misleading.

    I hasten to add that I have, to employ imagery I first heard from Bill Clinton, no dog in this hunt. So, my observations are non-partisan.

    I have the deepest respect for the service provided by our past First Ladies. I'm in awe of the willigness of potential presidential spouses, like Elizabeth Edwards, to put their own personal agendas aside in order to support their husbands in taking them into the world's most visible fish bowl. I have long pined for the day when a female chief executive takes her self-sacrificing husband into the fish bowl.

    But occupying the fish bowl doesn't necessarily qualify one to be President. If years in the spotlight counted as experience warranting electiong as president, someone should nominate the ticket of Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake, as both have more years of celebrity than does Obama.

    I agree with Amanda that it's unfair of Clinton to claim her years as First Lady as a qualifier for the presidency and at the same time, to refuse to open her records from those years to public scrutiny. She shouldn't be allowed to have it both ways. Refusal to release those records should be met by the refusal of the public to listen to her claims of "experience" as a consensus-building political leader gained from her White House years.

    Similarly, Clinton's supporters should not be able to disparage Obama's experience and then be unwilling to have their candidate's experience questioned. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    By the way, I'm a big admirer of Eleanor Roosevelt.

    Have a blessed day.

    Mark Daniels
  • DLS
    Well, we do know that Clinton does have some experience already as President, for eight years, just not officially. (And she has a throwing arm that would impress John Elway, it seems.)

    As for Obama, his experience prior to Washington remains mainly a mystery and his time in DC, quieter than Clinton's. I would like to see him face some questioning. He's a Chicago machine Democrat, so to what extent would he imitate the current governor, with the state's ridiculous plan to levy large new taxes while letting the elderly ride transit for no fare? (Next, as with health care, would come The Children! [tm], and the governor has said that if it were up to him, everyone would ride for free.) What does Obama have to say about that and to what extent would he try to be the same (wrong) way in Washington?
  • StockBoySF
    I think that Hillary's experience as First Lady does count for something. The fact that she doesn't open records doesn't take away from her experience- but it is not an act worthy of a leader- just look at the Bush WH, with all the lost e-mails and their continual muddling of the truth- I think Hillary would do the same. But her non-disclosure of her records doesn't take away from her experience. Obviously her experience as a Sen. does count for something.

    I think that Obama has a lot of good experience- having worked as a community organizer than in local elected office and finally in national politics. Unlike Hillary who had a ready-made political machine at her beck and call when she made her first foray into elected office just eight years ago, Obama had to work his way up- as an African American and without the family and political connections so many politicians have these days. The skills he had to develop, especially as a community organizer, to be successful, then to go on and develop and cultivate more skills to survive elected office are fantastic. These are skills he had to develop on his own. Hillary, on the other hand does have experience, but she largely rode the coattails of her husband. Over the years, if she failed or made some other misstep, ie. the healthcare plan, then she was not putting her political career (since she was not elected) in jeopardy.

    If a politician is intelligent, talented, has the interest of the country truly at heart and does well, then I'm not so concerned about whether they had some lucky breaks (and connections). I think Obama's rise, especially considering his background, is proof that Obama has what it takes to be a great leader.

    But as DLS implicitly points out, whether one believes Obama has great experience with the ability to lead as President and whether one agrees with Obama's ideas are two different issues. Obama- or anyone- can have good solid experience, but people will vote for the person they like the best, whether it's Bush's folksy appeal, or are drawn to someone with (seemingly) the same beliefs as one's own.
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