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		<title>By: Repulicans Presidential Election 2008 &#187; How Do You Deal With a Recession?</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17094/how-do-you-deal-with-a-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-110139</link>
		<dc:creator>Repulicans Presidential Election 2008 &#187; How Do You Deal With a Recession?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Michael Stickings placed an interesting blog post on How Do You Deal With a Recession?Here&#8217;s a brief overview [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17094/how-do-you-deal-with-a-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-126221</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If you up my tax rate and give it to Rudi, the only thing that happens is capital investing goes down and spending for fast women and slow horses goes up. A minus 1 and a plus 1 always nets to zero.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m just amazed that the utter foolishness of this hasn&#039;t been noted. Capital investment? Where? In the U.S.? Not if it can possibly be avoided. In fact people who are unemployed or underemployed are more likely to be spent in ways that help the country&#039;s economy than the modern wealthy class are likely to invest their money in a way that will provide stimulus to the economy of the United States.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The comments in this thread show a real paucity of understanding about the modern world. They all are the exact same arguments made decades ago in defense of tax cuts by conservatives. In spite of massive changes in the nature of our economy and that of the world the justifications for tax cuts and against any social program spending remain the exact same. I can&#039;t help but believe that if every bit of domestic investment by well-off Americans were to stop the arguments by conservatives would still stay the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If you up my tax rate and give it to Rudi, the only thing that happens is capital investing goes down and spending for fast women and slow horses goes up. A minus 1 and a plus 1 always nets to zero.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#39;m just amazed that the utter foolishness of this hasn&#39;t been noted. Capital investment? Where? In the U.S.? Not if it can possibly be avoided. In fact people who are unemployed or underemployed are more likely to be spent in ways that help the country&#39;s economy than the modern wealthy class are likely to invest their money in a way that will provide stimulus to the economy of the United States.</p>
<p>The comments in this thread show a real paucity of understanding about the modern world. They all are the exact same arguments made decades ago in defense of tax cuts by conservatives. In spite of massive changes in the nature of our economy and that of the world the justifications for tax cuts and against any social program spending remain the exact same. I can&#39;t help but believe that if every bit of domestic investment by well-off Americans were to stop the arguments by conservatives would still stay the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17094/how-do-you-deal-with-a-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-126220</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 02:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see....a 30% sales tax that its proponents try to sell as being &quot;only&quot; a 23% sales tax and then try to claim it&#039;s not a regressive tax because they&#039;ll use the unrealistically low official poverty level as a basis to provide rebate checks to every American. Did I miss anything? The more regressive the tax, the more popular it is with conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#39;s see&#8230;.a 30% sales tax that its proponents try to sell as being &#8220;only&#8221; a 23% sales tax and then try to claim it&#39;s not a regressive tax because they&#39;ll use the unrealistically low official poverty level as a basis to provide rebate checks to every American. Did I miss anything? The more regressive the tax, the more popular it is with conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17094/how-do-you-deal-with-a-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-126219</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;transfer payments result in &#039;economic improvement&#039; or even &#039;economic stimulus&#039;&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The spending is, in the very best of circumstances for proponents, arguably stimulative (and it certainly buys votes the way the money is redistributed), but the taxes to support most (when not all) of the spending obviously are not, but the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;transfer payments result in &#39;economic improvement&#39; or even &#39;economic stimulus&#39;&#8221;</p>
<p>The spending is, in the very best of circumstances for proponents, arguably stimulative (and it certainly buys votes the way the money is redistributed), but the taxes to support most (when not all) of the spending obviously are not, but the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Regarding Hillary, she does sound more progressive, but what are the odds that she will actually do any of this?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It depends on public sentiment and how she gauges it.  She&#039;s putting up the &quot;centrist&quot; front now in order not to repel voters by appearing too likely to engage in &quot;progressive&quot; [sic] acts; if she&#039;s learned a lesson after 1994, she may take it easy the first two years and wait and gauge and perhaps test public sentiment before lunging farther left once more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Regarding Hillary, she does sound more progressive, but what are the odds that she will actually do any of this?&#8221;</p>
<p>It depends on public sentiment and how she gauges it.  She&#39;s putting up the &#8220;centrist&#8221; front now in order not to repel voters by appearing too likely to engage in &#8220;progressive&#8221; [sic] acts; if she&#39;s learned a lesson after 1994, she may take it easy the first two years and wait and gauge and perhaps test public sentiment before lunging farther left once more.</p>
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		<title>By: PWT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more words.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since a few of these losers are in the senate, perhaps work on something besides their campaigns to keep us out of or lessen the impact of the coming/present recession.  There is no need to wait until 2009 before doing something, the time is now.  None of these people deserve our time, attention and most certainly not our votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more words.</p>
<p>Since a few of these losers are in the senate, perhaps work on something besides their campaigns to keep us out of or lessen the impact of the coming/present recession.  There is no need to wait until 2009 before doing something, the time is now.  None of these people deserve our time, attention and most certainly not our votes.</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can begrudgingly respect the knowledge of left voices when they speak on matters of socialism, green ethics and the best herbal teas.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When they speak on matters of capitalism, however, it is downright intellectually painful to read.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since the inception of the New Deal, no rationale mind has ever concluded transfer payments result in &quot;economic improvement&quot; or even &quot;economic stimulus&quot; when the subject is the actual economy (all elements of it...all in).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you up my tax rate and give it to Rudi, the only thing that happens is capital investing goes down and spending for fast women and slow horses goes up. A minus 1 and a plus 1 always nets to zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can begrudgingly respect the knowledge of left voices when they speak on matters of socialism, green ethics and the best herbal teas.</p>
<p>When they speak on matters of capitalism, however, it is downright intellectually painful to read.</p>
<p>Since the inception of the New Deal, no rationale mind has ever concluded transfer payments result in &#8220;economic improvement&#8221; or even &#8220;economic stimulus&#8221; when the subject is the actual economy (all elements of it&#8230;all in).</p>
<p>If you up my tax rate and give it to Rudi, the only thing that happens is capital investing goes down and spending for fast women and slow horses goes up. A minus 1 and a plus 1 always nets to zero.</p>
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		<title>By: blueoysterjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>blueoysterjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Hillary, she does sound more progressive, but what are the odds that she will actually do any of this? I strongly suspect that as soon she wins the nomination, all this talk about aid to the needy is going straight to the trash can and she will start moving towards the Republican position.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is her policy now because she needs to woo liberal voters. Once she gets the nomination, she will never need to woo them again. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Say what you will about Edward and Obama ... they will actually do what they say (and believe). Hillary was just say whatever she needs to say to get elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Hillary, she does sound more progressive, but what are the odds that she will actually do any of this? I strongly suspect that as soon she wins the nomination, all this talk about aid to the needy is going straight to the trash can and she will start moving towards the Republican position.</p>
<p>This is her policy now because she needs to woo liberal voters. Once she gets the nomination, she will never need to woo them again. </p>
<p>Say what you will about Edward and Obama &#8230; they will actually do what they say (and believe). Hillary was just say whatever she needs to say to get elected.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;more nuanced, more sophisticated, and ultimately more progressive policy positions&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The stimulus plans are open, transparent programs of vote-buying, appealing to those willing to sell their votes as well as their souls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;more nuanced, more sophisticated, and ultimately more progressive policy positions&#8221;</p>
<p>The stimulus plans are open, transparent programs of vote-buying, appealing to those willing to sell their votes as well as their souls.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just like most Republican politicians never seem to get around the promised spending cuts to go along with tax cuts, most Democratic politicians never get around to cutting the government in the good times after deficit spending in the bad times. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A Stimulus plan should be avoided because all it does is create more entitlements that never seem to end.  It is obvious that the Democrats are not really serious about helping local governments while they support open borders, unlimited immigration, and giving government entitlements to illegal aliens. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why not try to do what was done during the Clinton Administration and stop changing the rules every year or two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like most Republican politicians never seem to get around the promised spending cuts to go along with tax cuts, most Democratic politicians never get around to cutting the government in the good times after deficit spending in the bad times. </p>
<p>A Stimulus plan should be avoided because all it does is create more entitlements that never seem to end.  It is obvious that the Democrats are not really serious about helping local governments while they support open borders, unlimited immigration, and giving government entitlements to illegal aliens. </p>
<p>Why not try to do what was done during the Clinton Administration and stop changing the rules every year or two.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17094/how-do-you-deal-with-a-recession/comment-page-1/#comment-126207</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing bad about the so-called Fair Tax.  A consumption tax is without question superior to income or wealth taxes.  The only kind of consumption tax that is no good, due to its nature, is the personal expenditure tax (where consumption is income minus savings), which is even more intrusive than the already-too-intrusive income tax.  A VAT (which would be a large revenue raiser) implemented after the (proper) abolition of the income tax (there&#039;s no way we want both!) would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#39;s nothing bad about the so-called Fair Tax.  A consumption tax is without question superior to income or wealth taxes.  The only kind of consumption tax that is no good, due to its nature, is the personal expenditure tax (where consumption is income minus savings), which is even more intrusive than the already-too-intrusive income tax.  A VAT (which would be a large revenue raiser) implemented after the (proper) abolition of the income tax (there&#39;s no way we want both!) would be great.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, in the real world,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/11/AR2008011103123.html??hpid=opinionsbox1&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/1/11/mccains-new-square-deal.html&quot;&gt;http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/20...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, in the real world,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/11/AR2008011103123.html??hpid=opinionsbox1"></a><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar.." rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar..</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/1/11/mccains-new-square-deal.html"></a><a href="http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/20.." rel="nofollow">http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/20..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m certainly no expert on economics, so forgive me if this is a stupid question.  But what, exactly, is so bad about the Fair Tax / National Sales Tax idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m certainly no expert on economics, so forgive me if this is a stupid question.  But what, exactly, is so bad about the Fair Tax / National Sales Tax idea?</p>
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