Comments on: Dems Shoot Themselves In the Foot http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:16:03 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-135059 DLS Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:27:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-135059 Until I see otherwise I expect a Democrat, Clinton, to win the White House. Until I see otherwise I expect a Democrat, Clinton, to win the White House.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-135058 DLS Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:49:21 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-135058 "spear carrier"<br><br>Racist! “spear carrier”

Racist!

]]> By: AZChas http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-135055 AZChas Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:08:57 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-135055 Since Bill Clinton is America's first black president, and Hillary by extension is America's first black first lady, it should be patently obvious to any pundit that they are both incapable of race baiting, racism, etc. Therefore, any remarks they make critical of Obama must, by default, be pure and blameless.<br><br>To even suggest that Democrats are capable of using race to their political advantage is absurd. Only Republicans could stoop so low. I therefore conclude that Shawn has been abducted and a Republican mouthpiece is writing under his byline. Someone call 911. Since Bill Clinton is America's first black president, and Hillary by extension is America's first black first lady, it should be patently obvious to any pundit that they are both incapable of race baiting, racism, etc. Therefore, any remarks they make critical of Obama must, by default, be pure and blameless.

To even suggest that Democrats are capable of using race to their political advantage is absurd. Only Republicans could stoop so low. I therefore conclude that Shawn has been abducted and a Republican mouthpiece is writing under his byline. Someone call 911.

]]> By: StockBoySF http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-135053 StockBoySF Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:30:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-135053 "Once the general election kicks in, the big guns will be coming out and it will be a playground for politcal junkies. . . and probably utter misery for everyone else."<br><br>Well, the Dem convention is in August and the Rep. convention is in Sept. so we have two months of general election campaigning to (depending on whether you're a political junkie or not) either get one huge mega fix, or to wallow in misery. Either way, if Obama is the Dem. nominee he'll have to keep his supporters inspired so they will vote. Otherwise the Rep nominee will have a real good shot of winning. If Hillary is the nominee, a lot people won't vote- it will just be seen as the same old game.<br><br>By the way, I think Obama came in behind Hillary (in NH) for two reasons: one, HIllary's appeal to women (Hillary's "tear" episode- along with the guys gaining up in her); and two, I don't think Obama kept his college supporters inspired enough to vote for him. “Once the general election kicks in, the big guns will be coming out and it will be a playground for politcal junkies. . . and probably utter misery for everyone else.”

Well, the Dem convention is in August and the Rep. convention is in Sept. so we have two months of general election campaigning to (depending on whether you're a political junkie or not) either get one huge mega fix, or to wallow in misery. Either way, if Obama is the Dem. nominee he'll have to keep his supporters inspired so they will vote. Otherwise the Rep nominee will have a real good shot of winning. If Hillary is the nominee, a lot people won't vote- it will just be seen as the same old game.

By the way, I think Obama came in behind Hillary (in NH) for two reasons: one, HIllary's appeal to women (Hillary's “tear” episode- along with the guys gaining up in her); and two, I don't think Obama kept his college supporters inspired enough to vote for him.

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-135052 JSpencer Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:33:26 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-135052 This is actually one of the more interesting primaries we've had in awhile insofar as it's resistance to prediction. Who knows what will shake out by February? The ground seems to be ever shifting. Once the general election kicks in, the big guns will be coming out and it will be a playground for politcal junkies. . . and probably utter misery for everyone else. ;-) This is actually one of the more interesting primaries we've had in awhile insofar as it's resistance to prediction. Who knows what will shake out by February? The ground seems to be ever shifting. Once the general election kicks in, the big guns will be coming out and it will be a playground for politcal junkies. . . and probably utter misery for everyone else. ;-)

]]> By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-135049 superdestroyer Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:16:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-135049 How cares that two Democratic candidates are fighting over the black vote (while not saying a word about it during the primary campaigns in all white Iowa and New Hampshire)? Blacks are going to vote for whoever has a (D) after their name no matter what. <br><br>I find it odd that the first time I hear about Jesse Jackson have a prominent role in the Obama campaign is when the election in South Carolina is important. <br><br>How can any campaign claim to be about bi-partisanship and change while having a racial shakedown artist involved with their campaign. Bipartisanship to Jesse Jackson Jr is to tell whites that they are racist and should give him what he wants. How cares that two Democratic candidates are fighting over the black vote (while not saying a word about it during the primary campaigns in all white Iowa and New Hampshire)? Blacks are going to vote for whoever has a (D) after their name no matter what.

I find it odd that the first time I hear about Jesse Jackson have a prominent role in the Obama campaign is when the election in South Carolina is important.

How can any campaign claim to be about bi-partisanship and change while having a racial shakedown artist involved with their campaign. Bipartisanship to Jesse Jackson Jr is to tell whites that they are racist and should give him what he wants.

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-135047 JSpencer Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:19:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-135047 The GOP's to lose? Well that's a spin I hadn't heard yet. Of course there's plenty of time yet for things shift around and I'd never underestimate the dem's ability to screw up a free lunch. They need to be more careful and keep their eyes on the ball, which means replacing the downwardly mobile status quo - without self-destructing in the process. The GOP's to lose? Well that's a spin I hadn't heard yet. Of course there's plenty of time yet for things shift around and I'd never underestimate the dem's ability to screw up a free lunch. They need to be more careful and keep their eyes on the ball, which means replacing the downwardly mobile status quo – without self-destructing in the process.

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]]> By: Somebody http://themoderatevoice.com/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/comment-page-1/#comment-135046 Somebody Sat, 12 Jan 2008 15:34:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/bill-clinton/17031/the-democrats-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-135046 While the election is the Democrats to lose,<br><br>A month ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. Hillary Clinton was just waiting for the coronation and then suddenly This hip black man showed up and all bets are off. <br><br>Will this nation select a "hip black man" to be our next president? A nation that has seen the hispanic voter pass the black voter in power and prestige. Will this nation select a "boring white woman" to be the next president? A nation where 51 percent of the population is women?<br><br>I would bet on the woman but with the polarization of both parties I feel that the abandonment by either camp will force the other sides supporters to not vote or to vote for a third party.<br><br>I now am convinced it is not the Democrats to win, but it is rather the GOP's to once again lose.<br><br>I have put the GOP back in the running because of the polarization of politics in their own party. The thirst for power in the DNC is mindboggling. No less so then in the GOP the problem is that the GOP is not nearly as fractured as is the Dems right now. While the election is the Democrats to lose,

A month ago I would have wholeheartedly agreed with you. Hillary Clinton was just waiting for the coronation and then suddenly This hip black man showed up and all bets are off.

Will this nation select a “hip black man” to be our next president? A nation that has seen the hispanic voter pass the black voter in power and prestige. Will this nation select a “boring white woman” to be the next president? A nation where 51 percent of the population is women?

I would bet on the woman but with the polarization of both parties I feel that the abandonment by either camp will force the other sides supporters to not vote or to vote for a third party.

I now am convinced it is not the Democrats to win, but it is rather the GOP's to once again lose.

I have put the GOP back in the running because of the polarization of politics in their own party. The thirst for power in the DNC is mindboggling. No less so then in the GOP the problem is that the GOP is not nearly as fractured as is the Dems right now.

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