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		<title>By: Megaman_X</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16856/fearless-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-109712</link>
		<dc:creator>Megaman_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the way, StockBoySF, Iowa is not a liberal state.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Whoops! I meant Mark Daniels, not StockBoySF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the way, StockBoySF, Iowa is not a liberal state.</p></blockquote>
<p>Whoops! I meant Mark Daniels, not StockBoySF.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16856/fearless-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-109689</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Iowa is not a liberal state.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not by any means!

There are liberals here, though, not limited to those college kids.

We shouldn&#039;t make too much of the results last night here in Iowa.

But they were nice to see.

Clinton and Edwards were separated by only a few tenths of a per cent, so it&#039;s really Obama and twin second-place Dems.

But it&#039;s still sweet:

The ****** ****** got third!  Do I feel sorry for Hillary Clinton?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

&lt;strong&gt;Edited by Holly to remove implied obscenity.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Iowa is not a liberal state.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not by any means!</p>
<p>There are liberals here, though, not limited to those college kids.</p>
<p>We shouldn&#8217;t make too much of the results last night here in Iowa.</p>
<p>But they were nice to see.</p>
<p>Clinton and Edwards were separated by only a few tenths of a per cent, so it&#8217;s really Obama and twin second-place Dems.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s still sweet:</p>
<p>The ****** ****** got third!  Do I feel sorry for Hillary Clinton?  Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.</p>
<p><strong>Edited by Holly to remove implied obscenity.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16856/fearless-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-109687</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,

Your predictions are premature.

1. Have you not heard (not only from Shaun, but from the Northeast and West Coast) that Iowa is far too white, too rural, ergo too unrepresentative of the USA?

2. Voters in New Hampshire (also &quot;unrepresentative&quot;) will vote differently than the people here in Iowa.  McCain is now anticipated (even, gasp, predicted) to rise in New Hampshire.  (Without doing much at all, McCain finished fourth, right behind Thompson here in Iowa, 13.4%-13.1%.)

3. We have more primaries coming shortly, including the first where Giuliani (yuck) has actually made a serious campaign effort (Florida).

Wait until after February 5.  I realize that (as many critics have noted) February 5 may not be a difficult time to make predictions, because the predictions at that time will no longer be difficult(!).

Or if you want to remain bold and sporting, wait until just before February 5 and call the placements nation-wide ahead of time.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/events.phtml?s=c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s the schedule.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,</p>
<p>Your predictions are premature.</p>
<p>1. Have you not heard (not only from Shaun, but from the Northeast and West Coast) that Iowa is far too white, too rural, ergo too unrepresentative of the USA?</p>
<p>2. Voters in New Hampshire (also &#8220;unrepresentative&#8221;) will vote differently than the people here in Iowa.  McCain is now anticipated (even, gasp, predicted) to rise in New Hampshire.  (Without doing much at all, McCain finished fourth, right behind Thompson here in Iowa, 13.4%-13.1%.)</p>
<p>3. We have more primaries coming shortly, including the first where Giuliani (yuck) has actually made a serious campaign effort (Florida).</p>
<p>Wait until after February 5.  I realize that (as many critics have noted) February 5 may not be a difficult time to make predictions, because the predictions at that time will no longer be difficult(!).</p>
<p>Or if you want to remain bold and sporting, wait until just before February 5 and call the placements nation-wide ahead of time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/events.phtml?s=c" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s the schedule.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16856/fearless-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-109636</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look for Michigan to be very important. Romney only has ties to Michigan by birth, he&#039;s a reverse carpetbagger. I don&#039;t see Romney winning in Michigan. The Republicans are slipping in Michigan. Engler wrecked the state and moved to Washington to make MONEY. The 2006 election was a defeat for Michigan Republicans. 

Obama needs the endorsement of Detroits last competent mayor(Dennis Archer), not the current scoundrel Kilpatrick or the old guard like Conners.
&lt;blockquote&gt;A series of public scandals involving Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick have erupted over the last several weeks. The exploits of the 34-year-old mayor...&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look for Michigan to be very important. Romney only has ties to Michigan by birth, he&#8217;s a reverse carpetbagger. I don&#8217;t see Romney winning in Michigan. The Republicans are slipping in Michigan. Engler wrecked the state and moved to Washington to make MONEY. The 2006 election was a defeat for Michigan Republicans. </p>
<p>Obama needs the endorsement of Detroits last competent mayor(Dennis Archer), not the current scoundrel Kilpatrick or the old guard like Conners.</p>
<blockquote><p>A series of public scandals involving Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick have erupted over the last several weeks. The exploits of the 34-year-old mayor&#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Megaman_X</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16856/fearless-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-109595</link>
		<dc:creator>Megaman_X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YEAH! Obama won! I was pulling for Edwards, but hey, as long as Clinton doesn&#039;t win, I&#039;m totally cool with that. Seriously, I am so glad Hillary didn&#039;t win here. If you ever get a chance, watch Obama&#039;s speech after he won tonight...he was right about hope.

By the way, StockBoySF, Iowa is not a liberal state. Two of its five districts are held by Republicans (four before 2006), one of its senators is Chuck Grassley, and it voted for Bush in 2004. It&#039;s more of a swing state. Heck, New Hampshire is more liberal than Iowa, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YEAH! Obama won! I was pulling for Edwards, but hey, as long as Clinton doesn&#8217;t win, I&#8217;m totally cool with that. Seriously, I am so glad Hillary didn&#8217;t win here. If you ever get a chance, watch Obama&#8217;s speech after he won tonight&#8230;he was right about hope.</p>
<p>By the way, StockBoySF, Iowa is not a liberal state. Two of its five districts are held by Republicans (four before 2006), one of its senators is Chuck Grassley, and it voted for Bush in 2004. It&#8217;s more of a swing state. Heck, New Hampshire is more liberal than Iowa, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark- thanks.  I&#039;m not ready to write off Edwards just yet simply because Hillary is such a polarizing figure.  Upwards of 50% of people say they would never vote for her.  As the other candidates drop out of the race, the support for Obama and Edwards will increase faster than Hillary&#039;s support.  

I think it&#039;s a strong three-way race at this point because the candidates are very different.  They are three very strong candidates and well-known.  I think Hillary and Obama will essentially be tied for first (within one or two percentage points) and Edwards won&#039;t be far behind.  All three receiving above 30% in NH.

In NH I think Huckabee will be #3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark- thanks.  I&#8217;m not ready to write off Edwards just yet simply because Hillary is such a polarizing figure.  Upwards of 50% of people say they would never vote for her.  As the other candidates drop out of the race, the support for Obama and Edwards will increase faster than Hillary&#8217;s support.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a strong three-way race at this point because the candidates are very different.  They are three very strong candidates and well-known.  I think Hillary and Obama will essentially be tied for first (within one or two percentage points) and Edwards won&#8217;t be far behind.  All three receiving above 30% in NH.</p>
<p>In NH I think Huckabee will be #3.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Daniels</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16856/fearless-predictions/comment-page-1/#comment-109589</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>StockBoy:
In spite of the spin put on this evening&#039;s results by the Edwards campaign, the fact is that they bet the house on Iowa. If his brand of angry populism can&#039;t prevail in what is a liberal state, it isn&#039;t going to play in New Hampshire. His campaign is finished even if he does campaign in the Granite State.

I think that you&#039;re right about the past perceptions of African-Americans of Obama&#039;s prospects. Now that an overwhelmingly white populace has given him a resounding win, those perceptions will begin to change. That should make a huge difference in Michigan and South Carolina. 

Unless he commits a huge gaffe, I believe that Obama will win the nomination. 

Thanks for your comments.

Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StockBoy:<br />
In spite of the spin put on this evening&#8217;s results by the Edwards campaign, the fact is that they bet the house on Iowa. If his brand of angry populism can&#8217;t prevail in what is a liberal state, it isn&#8217;t going to play in New Hampshire. His campaign is finished even if he does campaign in the Granite State.</p>
<p>I think that you&#8217;re right about the past perceptions of African-Americans of Obama&#8217;s prospects. Now that an overwhelmingly white populace has given him a resounding win, those perceptions will begin to change. That should make a huge difference in Michigan and South Carolina. </p>
<p>Unless he commits a huge gaffe, I believe that Obama will win the nomination. </p>
<p>Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, fearless predictions indeed!  OK, I&#039;ll bite, but maybe not as fearlessly as you :) BTW: great comments and thanks!

Among the Dems, I think the race is still open between the three (Obama, Clinton and Edwards) and I think all three will go to Feb. 5 Super Tuesday.  I think they will be the only three Dems to make it to Feb. 5.

I think the Rep. ticket will eventually be McCain/Romney.  Romney has gotten support from conservative Christian groups. I think even McCain understands that while despite the evolution/creationism religion debate Americans do fundamentally believe in science. 

I think Obama may choose Edwards as his running mate.  This would be a nice refreshing change from Bush and his pace-maker sidekick (or is it the other way around?).  Though I&#039;d rather see Obama choose someone like Bloomberg as VP.  Though that could never happen for more than one reason...

I&#039;ve always believed that African-Americans don&#039;t see Obama as electable.  Because they don&#039;t want to be on the losing side they will support who they believe can win.  With such a strong support for Obama from whites in Iowa I hope African-Americans will be more comfortable supporting who they think will be the best candidate for them (whether it be Clinton, Obama or someone else).  But the amazing thing is that this truly allows African-Americans to vote for &quot;one of their own&quot; (should they choose) who is a front runner.  For Americans who often feel they are second class citizens, the viability of Obama&#039;s presidential bid is one step forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, fearless predictions indeed!  OK, I&#8217;ll bite, but maybe not as fearlessly as you <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  BTW: great comments and thanks!</p>
<p>Among the Dems, I think the race is still open between the three (Obama, Clinton and Edwards) and I think all three will go to Feb. 5 Super Tuesday.  I think they will be the only three Dems to make it to Feb. 5.</p>
<p>I think the Rep. ticket will eventually be McCain/Romney.  Romney has gotten support from conservative Christian groups. I think even McCain understands that while despite the evolution/creationism religion debate Americans do fundamentally believe in science. </p>
<p>I think Obama may choose Edwards as his running mate.  This would be a nice refreshing change from Bush and his pace-maker sidekick (or is it the other way around?).  Though I&#8217;d rather see Obama choose someone like Bloomberg as VP.  Though that could never happen for more than one reason&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always believed that African-Americans don&#8217;t see Obama as electable.  Because they don&#8217;t want to be on the losing side they will support who they believe can win.  With such a strong support for Obama from whites in Iowa I hope African-Americans will be more comfortable supporting who they think will be the best candidate for them (whether it be Clinton, Obama or someone else).  But the amazing thing is that this truly allows African-Americans to vote for &#8220;one of their own&#8221; (should they choose) who is a front runner.  For Americans who often feel they are second class citizens, the viability of Obama&#8217;s presidential bid is one step forward.</p>
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