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		<title>By: submandave</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16853/obama-1-black-democratic-establishment-0/comment-page-1/#comment-109702</link>
		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T, I think we&#039;re probably in violent agreement on this.  I was mainly using your &quot;white folk&quot; statement as a counterpoint to what you have characterized as the BDE&#039;s lock step support of any and all black candidates.  I don&#039;t expect it of Sen. Obama, but should he fail to make it all the way to PA Ave. there will eventually be &lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt; (most likely in the BDE) crying &quot;racism&quot; and claiming that &quot;America&#039;s just not ready for a Black President&quot; while ignoring the points that really matter to the vast majority of voters.  But hey, you gotta eat an elephant one bite at a time, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T, I think we&#8217;re probably in violent agreement on this.  I was mainly using your &#8220;white folk&#8221; statement as a counterpoint to what you have characterized as the BDE&#8217;s lock step support of any and all black candidates.  I don&#8217;t expect it of Sen. Obama, but should he fail to make it all the way to PA Ave. there will eventually be <i>someone</i> (most likely in the BDE) crying &#8220;racism&#8221; and claiming that &#8220;America&#8217;s just not ready for a Black President&#8221; while ignoring the points that really matter to the vast majority of voters.  But hey, you gotta eat an elephant one bite at a time, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: nmjardine</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16853/obama-1-black-democratic-establishment-0/comment-page-1/#comment-109683</link>
		<dc:creator>nmjardine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 18:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...Jesse Jackson endorsed Obama. 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262581,00.html

Al Sharpton has yet to endorse anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;Jesse Jackson endorsed Obama. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262581,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262581,00.html</a></p>
<p>Al Sharpton has yet to endorse anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: T-Steel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16853/obama-1-black-democratic-establishment-0/comment-page-1/#comment-109646</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 15:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Baldilocks!  I&#039;m doing well and as you can see, Joe has let a vagabond like me post on his great blog.  :)

submandave,

I should have been a little more clear.  My point about &quot;white folks voting for white folks&quot; has to do with the BDE&#039;s fear of being labeled as &quot;lock step black supporters&quot;.  YET that&#039;s what they do anyways as I said.  Obama is what the BDE said they wanted: a clean cut, intelligent black candidate.  And some of the comments from prominent BDE leaders concerning Obama has been downright disgusting (heck Obama worked for the NAACP at one time).  So disgusting I think inkognegro&#039;s point of them owing the Clintons is probably true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Baldilocks!  I&#8217;m doing well and as you can see, Joe has let a vagabond like me post on his great blog.  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>submandave,</p>
<p>I should have been a little more clear.  My point about &#8220;white folks voting for white folks&#8221; has to do with the BDE&#8217;s fear of being labeled as &#8220;lock step black supporters&#8221;.  YET that&#8217;s what they do anyways as I said.  Obama is what the BDE said they wanted: a clean cut, intelligent black candidate.  And some of the comments from prominent BDE leaders concerning Obama has been downright disgusting (heck Obama worked for the NAACP at one time).  So disgusting I think inkognegro&#8217;s point of them owing the Clintons is probably true.</p>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
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		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 14:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;White folks vote for white folks without hesitation!&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, but I thought the point was that &quot;white folks&quot; voted for the black fella.  You are correct that generally the BDE does vote en masse for whatever candidate is fielded with the most pigment, a practice I find almost as repugnant as if there were a white establishment voting oppositely for the same reason.  It frustrates me to be deluged with assuptions of racism and sexism whenever a minority or female candidate fails to muster support and have these same folks treat it as an unquestioned given that there is nothing untoward about minorities and women supporting a candidate almost solely based upon racial or gender lines.

The real significance I see in Obama&#039;s win is that it should, once and for all, put away the idea that &quot;white folks&quot; won&#039;t vote for the black candidate, when the real point all along has been that &quot;white folks&quot; laregly won&#039;t vote for a black candidate that seems to be partisan toward just their black constituency.  Unfortunately, there are too many too heavily invested in victimology for this point to be highlighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>White folks vote for white folks without hesitation!</i></p>
<p>Oh, but I thought the point was that &#8220;white folks&#8221; voted for the black fella.  You are correct that generally the BDE does vote en masse for whatever candidate is fielded with the most pigment, a practice I find almost as repugnant as if there were a white establishment voting oppositely for the same reason.  It frustrates me to be deluged with assuptions of racism and sexism whenever a minority or female candidate fails to muster support and have these same folks treat it as an unquestioned given that there is nothing untoward about minorities and women supporting a candidate almost solely based upon racial or gender lines.</p>
<p>The real significance I see in Obama&#8217;s win is that it should, once and for all, put away the idea that &#8220;white folks&#8221; won&#8217;t vote for the black candidate, when the real point all along has been that &#8220;white folks&#8221; laregly won&#8217;t vote for a black candidate that seems to be partisan toward just their black constituency.  Unfortunately, there are too many too heavily invested in victimology for this point to be highlighted.</p>
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		<title>By: Volunteer Voters &#187; Now They Know</title>
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		<dc:creator>Volunteer Voters &#187; Now They Know</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 13:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 12:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interesting thing is that there are at least four dichotomies at play -

establishment vs anti-establishment
black vs white
baby boom vs younger
right vs left

To me the most telling story is the latter - I never thought I&#039;d read something like
&lt;a href=&quot;http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWQxY2M4YzllMDk5NGYwYzMwZDY5YzEzNjI2OTFkYjI=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this &lt;/a&gt; on NRO or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=14316&amp;R=115C236&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interesting thing is that there are at least four dichotomies at play -</p>
<p>establishment vs anti-establishment<br />
black vs white<br />
baby boom vs younger<br />
right vs left</p>
<p>To me the most telling story is the latter &#8211; I never thought I&#8217;d read something like<br />
<a href="http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YWQxY2M4YzllMDk5NGYwYzMwZDY5YzEzNjI2OTFkYjI=" rel="nofollow">this </a> on NRO or <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=14316&amp;R=115C236" rel="nofollow">this</a></p>
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		<title>By: inkognegro</title>
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		<dc:creator>inkognegro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 11:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I share your glee this morning...so much so I cannot sleep.

But one thing must be added on.

The BDE is in bed with the Clinton campaign because they were either a: Afraid that they would be on the outside looking in if/when Hillary won or (and this should NOT be overlooked)

b: they OWE the Clintons.  

The Clintons are notorious for rewarding loyalty.  There may be worse places to be in the democratic party than on the bad side of the Clintons, but I am not aware of them.  There are FEW Black Politicians with any experience that dont owe the Clintons SOMETHING.

Almost all of them support Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share your glee this morning&#8230;so much so I cannot sleep.</p>
<p>But one thing must be added on.</p>
<p>The BDE is in bed with the Clinton campaign because they were either a: Afraid that they would be on the outside looking in if/when Hillary won or (and this should NOT be overlooked)</p>
<p>b: they OWE the Clintons.  </p>
<p>The Clintons are notorious for rewarding loyalty.  There may be worse places to be in the democratic party than on the bad side of the Clintons, but I am not aware of them.  There are FEW Black Politicians with any experience that dont owe the Clintons SOMETHING.</p>
<p>Almost all of them support Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 10:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Barry! On to NH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Barry! On to NH.</p>
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		<title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Million-Years McCain and the answer to a stupid question</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Million-Years McCain and the answer to a stupid question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] America is ready. Are the media? Are the other Democrats in the race? And for that matter, is the black Democratic establishment? You&#8217;ll all be left behind. Get with the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Election 2008: And Iowa Sez&#8230;.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Election 2008: And Iowa Sez&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blogger opinions; H/T to MemeOrandum: The Moderate Voice; Liberal Values; The Liberal Journal; Stop The ACLU (Right); The Mahablog; Captain&#8217;s Quarters [...]</description>
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		<title>By: baldilocks</title>
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		<dc:creator>baldilocks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T-Steel!  How ya doing, Sweetheart?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T-Steel!  How ya doing, Sweetheart?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Driscoll.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Driscoll.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Obama 1, Hillary, Black Democratic Establishment 0...&lt;/strong&gt;

This could be interesting:It?s been speculated that a big reason so much of the black vote stayed with Hillary thus far is because they didn?t think Obama could win. That fear is dead now, with South Carolina shaping up to......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Obama 1, Hillary, Black Democratic Establishment 0&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>This could be interesting:It?s been speculated that a big reason so much of the black vote stayed with Hillary thus far is because they didn?t think Obama could win. That fear is dead now, with South Carolina shaping up to&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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