Comments on: The Cow Pie Presidency: Amoral With The Ability to Shock But Not Surprise http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:38:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109469 JSpencer Thu, 03 Jan 2008 06:08:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109469 "Have we become a nation of sheep?" I'll be mercifully brief in expressing my opinion on this, despite the temptation to ramble on about why the answer is so obvious, so tragic, and how we came to this sad state. Besides, I'm tired. The short and not at all sweet answer is: Yes... ...but with exceptions. ;-) “Have we become a nation of sheep?”

I’ll be mercifully brief in expressing my opinion on this, despite the temptation to ramble on about why the answer is so obvious, so tragic, and how we came to this sad state. Besides, I’m tired.

The short and not at all sweet answer is: Yes…

…but with exceptions. ;-)

]]> By: Don Quijote http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109444 Don Quijote Thu, 03 Jan 2008 02:20:53 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109444 <blockquote>I meant to say his tax package had little to no positive impact on middle class people and below.</blockquote> I would go further and say that his tax package was a net negative for the middle & working classes, they saved a couple hundred bucks on their income-tax and saw their property taxes and most government fees go right thru the roof.

I meant to say his tax package had little to no positive impact on middle class people and below.

I would go further and say that his tax package was a net negative for the middle & working classes, they saved a couple hundred bucks on their income-tax and saw their property taxes and most government fees go right thru the roof.

]]> By: Sam http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109442 Sam Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:45:04 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109442 Thats what I thought too. And to be honest we don't ask that much of our politicians. Basically its try to at least hide the fact that you're screwing us for your lobbyists, and try not to get too many people killed in the process. Bush has failed miserably on both counts. Thats what I thought too. And to be honest we don’t ask that much of our politicians. Basically its try to at least hide the fact that you’re screwing us for your lobbyists, and try not to get too many people killed in the process. Bush has failed miserably on both counts.

]]> By: bellisaurius http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109440 bellisaurius Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:17:32 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109440 Why would things change signifigantly? I thought we put presidents through the meat grinnder to get exactly the kind of president who will place pragmatic realpolitick goals over pure ideology, like clinton and bush did in their own ways. Why would things change signifigantly? I thought we put presidents through the meat grinnder to get exactly the kind of president who will place pragmatic realpolitick goals over pure ideology, like clinton and bush did in their own ways.

]]> By: Sam http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109437 Sam Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:02:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109437 You think just by coming up with the term BDS and sneering each time you say it it makes the giant consequences of this administrations screw ups somehow less awful? Gimme a break. Bush has brought us nothing but war, fear, and financial stagnation or worse for anyone not in the upper income brackets. And Shaun I was referring to SuperD's comment that somehow reverting to the old taxes would hammer the middle class. Yea right. We are going to have to raise them later to pay for the deficits we've been running so far is all. Pay now or pay later with interest. GOP says pay later with interest and passes it off like they are doing us a favor. Also, they push to keep $15bn in tax breaks for oil companies raking it in on $100/barrel oil thanks in large part to the unnecessary war started by Bush. BDS is based a comprehensive appraisal of the administration. You have it or you have your eyes and ears closed. You think just by coming up with the term BDS and sneering each time you say it it makes the giant consequences of this administrations screw ups somehow less awful? Gimme a break. Bush has brought us nothing but war, fear, and financial stagnation or worse for anyone not in the upper income brackets.

And Shaun I was referring to SuperD’s comment that somehow reverting to the old taxes would hammer the middle class. Yea right. We are going to have to raise them later to pay for the deficits we’ve been running so far is all. Pay now or pay later with interest. GOP says pay later with interest and passes it off like they are doing us a favor. Also, they push to keep $15bn in tax breaks for oil companies raking it in on $100/barrel oil thanks in large part to the unnecessary war started by Bush.

BDS is based a comprehensive appraisal of the administration. You have it or you have your eyes and ears closed.

]]> By: Mule Face http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109431 Mule Face Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:22:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109431 *Yawn* BDS..... *Yawn* BDS…..

]]> By: Shaun Mullen http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109429 Shaun Mullen Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:09:23 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109429 <em>Sam:</em> I could not agree more about the tax package, and if I somehow implied that it was a gift to the middle class, then I miswrote. Sam:

I could not agree more about the tax package, and if I somehow implied that it was a gift to the middle class, then I miswrote.

]]> By: Sam http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109427 Sam Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:30:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109427 Sorry, mispoke in the first sentence of my above post. I meant to say his tax package had little to no positive impact on middle class people and below. Sorry, mispoke in the first sentence of my above post. I meant to say his tax package had little to no positive impact on middle class people and below.

]]> By: Sam http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109426 Sam Wed, 02 Jan 2008 21:28:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109426 Bush's tax package had little to no impact on anyone middle class and below. Quit acting like he did a favor to middle america. I'm lower-middle on the income range myself and believe me I'd rather we had a balanced budget than an extra few hundred at the end of the year. GOP tax cuts help the rich who are already being helped in every way possible by the administration in the form of the executive branch bending over backwards for them. From supplying them with protection from prosecution for federal regulation violation on the low end, to the upper end of what appears to have been a war to secure higher global oil prices and resource rights in Iraq. Again, at the expense of the people. But let's not get hung up on taxes, those really are a small piece of the pie when it comes to fixing the problems this administration has gotten us into. I'd be happy to know that once again I can't be declared a "Fill-in-the-blank" and be stripped of my right to a trial, a lawyer, and evidience in my defense. Bush was a horrible CEO, and he has been an equally horrible president for the EXACT same reasons. Just like Dubya to brag about his screwups as justification for his staying the course. Bush’s tax package had little to no impact on anyone middle class and below. Quit acting like he did a favor to middle america. I’m lower-middle on the income range myself and believe me I’d rather we had a balanced budget than an extra few hundred at the end of the year. GOP tax cuts help the rich who are already being helped in every way possible by the administration in the form of the executive branch bending over backwards for them. From supplying them with protection from prosecution
for federal regulation violation on the low end, to the upper end of what appears to have been a war to secure higher global oil prices and resource rights in Iraq. Again, at the expense of the people.

But let’s not get hung up on taxes, those really are a small piece of the pie when it comes to fixing the problems this administration has gotten us into. I’d be happy to know that once again I can’t be declared a “Fill-in-the-blank” and be stripped of my right to a trial, a lawyer, and evidience in my defense.

Bush was a horrible CEO, and he has been an equally horrible president for the EXACT same reasons. Just like Dubya to brag about his screwups as justification for his staying the course.

]]> By: kritt http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109413 kritt Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:09:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109413 <em>They remain in power because they depend upon Americans misery to keep them there. In order for Americans to be miserable they must ensure that their policies do just that…..Keep Americans Miserable.</em> If they were successful at that, no one would vote for them. What was the War on Poverty all about? Or the civil rights laws passed under the Johnson administration? Or an expanded SCHIP,which would have helped the middle class but was rejected by a Republican president??? Democrats are attractive to the poor and middle class because of the misery created by Republican policies, that cut social programs for the poor and middle class to give tax breaks to the rich and corporate welfare to powerful industries like oil, insurance, auto, big tobacco, etc. The reason the Reagan coalition was successful was that the GOP figured out that their fiscal policies would never attract middle class whites-so they threw in a conservative social agenda that would. They remain in power because they depend upon Americans misery to keep them there. In order for Americans to be miserable they must ensure that their policies do just that…..Keep Americans Miserable.

If they were successful at that, no one would vote for them. What was the War on Poverty all about? Or the civil rights laws passed under the Johnson administration? Or an expanded SCHIP,which would have helped the middle class but was rejected by a Republican president??? Democrats are attractive to the poor and middle class because of the misery created by Republican policies, that cut social programs for the poor and middle class to give tax breaks to the rich and corporate welfare to powerful industries like oil, insurance, auto, big tobacco, etc. The reason the Reagan coalition was successful was that the GOP figured out that their fiscal policies would never attract middle class whites-so they threw in a conservative social agenda that would.

]]> By: kritt http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109412 kritt Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:01:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109412 Somebody- I guess that's one way to look at it. I look at it like the GOP likes to stack the deck to make sure their rich donors get richer at the expense of the poor and middle class. That is what has happened over the last 7 years. The Democrats at least try to level the playing field so that all can still advance-not just the wealthy and well-connected. Somebody- I guess that’s one way to look at it. I look at it like the GOP likes to stack the deck to make sure their rich donors get richer at the expense of the poor and middle class. That is what has happened over the last 7 years. The Democrats at least try to level the playing field so that all can still advance-not just the wealthy and well-connected.

]]> By: Somebody http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109403 Somebody Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:42:53 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109403 SD the reason I left the democratic party was because it was quickly becoming the party of failure IS the preferred option. They remain in power because they depend upon Americans misery to keep them there. In order for Americans to be miserable they must ensure that their policies do just that.....Keep Americans Miserable. SD the reason I left the democratic party was because it was quickly becoming the party of failure IS the preferred option.

They remain in power because they depend upon Americans misery to keep them there. In order for Americans to be miserable they must ensure that their policies do just that…..Keep Americans Miserable.

]]> By: Somebody http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109402 Somebody Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:36:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109402 Shaun I offer up evidence to further support your post here by Mr. Don Quijote in another post on foreign policy. <em>If we end up with a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic House and Senate, thing will improve, slowly, very slowly. It’s going to take thirty years to fix the damage the genius from Texas has done if it can be fixed.</em> <em>All I noticed were the inane slogans of a scared little boy, like that of most<strike> Republicans.</em> <em>Republican politicians are just the manipulators who are inventing new boogiemen out of thin air for you to fear ( Secular humanist, the war on Christmas, illegal aliens, Jihadist, Islamofascist, Nuclear Iran, Iraq’s WMDs, etc, etc.. ) so that their backers can steal everything that isn’t nailed down while the population is to busy cowering in their gate communities.</em> Convincing proof indeed. Shaun I offer up evidence to further support your post here by Mr. Don Quijote in another post on foreign policy.

If we end up with a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic House and Senate, thing will improve, slowly, very slowly. It’s going to take thirty years to fix the damage the genius from Texas has done if it can be fixed.

All I noticed were the inane slogans of a scared little boy, like that of most Republicans.

Republican politicians are just the manipulators who are inventing new boogiemen out of thin air for you to fear ( Secular humanist, the war on Christmas, illegal aliens, Jihadist, Islamofascist, Nuclear Iran, Iraq’s WMDs, etc, etc.. ) so that their backers can steal everything that isn’t nailed down while the population is to busy cowering in their gate communities.

Convincing proof indeed.

]]> By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109401 superdestroyer Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:25:19 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109401 It is humorous how the left talks about the discontent of the middle class while proposing one policy after another that will hammer the middle class. All of the Democratic candidates support the current situation of open borders and near unilimited immigration. The mass immigration causes schools to fail, neighborhood to declines and the pay of many blue collar fields to slide toward minimum wage. The middle class has realized that the public schools are failing that unless their children get into an Ivy league they are marked for life as a failure. Yet, the Democratic candidates propose to lower standards and to make it harder for the middle class to use education to improve itself. The middle class complains about the level of taxes that they pay but face the prospect of much higher taxes under any of the Democratic candidates. Just look at the Clinton Christmas Present advertisement to see how the left views government spending. I have always found it humorous to hear an African-American complain about their taxes since they vote for no one but Democrats who campaign on higher taxes. It is humorous how the left talks about the discontent of the middle class while proposing one policy after another that will hammer the middle class.

All of the Democratic candidates support the current situation of open borders and near unilimited immigration. The mass immigration causes schools to fail, neighborhood to declines and the pay of many blue collar fields to slide toward minimum wage.

The middle class has realized that the public schools are failing that unless their children get into an Ivy league they are marked for life as a failure. Yet, the Democratic candidates propose to lower standards and to make it harder for the middle class to use education to improve itself.

The middle class complains about the level of taxes that they pay but face the prospect of much higher taxes under any of the Democratic candidates. Just look at the Clinton Christmas Present advertisement to see how the left views government spending. I have always found it humorous to hear an African-American complain about their taxes since they vote for no one but Democrats who campaign on higher taxes.

]]> By: kritt http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109399 kritt Wed, 02 Jan 2008 15:02:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109399 I agree with both of you. What has amazed me is the ability of the administration and its attorneys (like Fred Fielding who maneuvered through Watergate!) to block any attempts by congressional committees to get at the truth. It has astounded me that the president has been able to use executive privilege to hide just about everything said and done in his administration. Why is there no legal consequence for 5 million missing e-mails? How can Dick Cheney get away with claiming he is not part of the executive branch, and so does not have to preserve his records for the national archives? Of course the archivist that brought that little incident to light had his position eliminated, thanks to David Addington. It seems this administration has learned from the Nixon administration that if you are going to break the law, learn to cover your tracks and stonewall, stonewall, stonewall! I agree with both of you. What has amazed me is the ability of the administration and its attorneys (like Fred Fielding who maneuvered through Watergate!) to block any attempts by congressional committees to get at the truth. It has astounded me that the president has been able to use executive privilege to hide just about everything said and done in his administration. Why is there no legal consequence for 5 million missing e-mails? How can Dick Cheney get away with claiming he is not part of the executive branch, and so does not have to preserve his records for the national archives? Of course the archivist that brought that little incident to light had his position eliminated, thanks to David Addington.

It seems this administration has learned from the Nixon administration that if you are going to break the law, learn to cover your tracks and stonewall, stonewall, stonewall!

]]> By: Don Quijote http://themoderatevoice.com/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-109398 Don Quijote Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:59:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/foreign/maliki/16803/the-cow-pie-presidency-abjectly-amoral-with-the-ability-to-shock-but-not-surprise/#comment-109398 <blockquote>Do you think things will be appreciably better in 2009 with a new president, be it a Hillary, Barack, John or Mitt?</blockquote> If we end up with a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic House and Senate, thing will improve, slowly, very slowly. It's going to take thirty years to fix the damage the genius from Texas has done if it can be fixed. If a Republican gets elected, expect more of the same.

Do you think things will be appreciably better in 2009 with a new president, be it a Hillary, Barack, John or Mitt?

If we end up with a Democrat in the White House and a Democratic House and Senate, thing will improve, slowly, very slowly. It’s going to take thirty years to fix the damage the genius from Texas has done if it can be fixed.

If a Republican gets elected, expect more of the same.

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