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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16780/what-role-should-religion-play-in-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-109358</link>
		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If logic, reasoning power, and basic human decency were hawked and pandered to in politics as much as religion is, perhaps we wouldn&#039;t be in the hole we&#039;re trying to dig out of now, afterall, the religious right had as much a hand in creating our present govt. as anyone else, and that ought to be as effective a cautionary tale as any. 

When I decide to cast my vote, I will be swayed by demonstrations of critical thinking ability, rather than pronouncements of faith. Religion is fine when it informs and encourages decent human behavior, but it is too easily abused and exploited when merged with politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If logic, reasoning power, and basic human decency were hawked and pandered to in politics as much as religion is, perhaps we wouldn&#8217;t be in the hole we&#8217;re trying to dig out of now, afterall, the religious right had as much a hand in creating our present govt. as anyone else, and that ought to be as effective a cautionary tale as any. </p>
<p>When I decide to cast my vote, I will be swayed by demonstrations of critical thinking ability, rather than pronouncements of faith. Religion is fine when it informs and encourages decent human behavior, but it is too easily abused and exploited when merged with politics.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16780/what-role-should-religion-play-in-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-109347</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 21:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bigotry and hatred? [false description of reality mercifully deleted]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes.  That&#039;s despite what I hear from my radical friend who hears too much of that from Colorado&#039;s Front Range.  You stand corrected, again.  Not that you&#039;re in any hurry to learn; you have too many Religious Right (and other) monsters under your bed and in your closet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bigotry and hatred? [false description of reality mercifully deleted]</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes.  That&#8217;s despite what I hear from my radical friend who hears too much of that from Colorado&#8217;s Front Range.  You stand corrected, again.  Not that you&#8217;re in any hurry to learn; you have too many Religious Right (and other) monsters under your bed and in your closet.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I think you meant to mention that Gov. Strickland is  an ordained Methodist minister and psychologist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think you meant to mention that Gov. Strickland is  an ordained Methodist minister and psychologist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16780/what-role-should-religion-play-in-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-109335</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;(Note it is the Left, usually not the Religious Left, who exhibits bigotry and hatred toward the Religious Right in this country.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bigotry and hatred? How about resentment of their primary reason for existence, which is to have the government pass laws that force Christians and non-Christians who don&#039;t necessarily agree with their beliefs to live their lives as though they do? This is a very different thing from bigotry. It&#039;s self defense against a group that thinks that so long as they don&#039;t force people to go to their church anything else goes when it comes to controlling people&#039;s personal lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(Note it is the Left, usually not the Religious Left, who exhibits bigotry and hatred toward the Religious Right in this country.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Bigotry and hatred? How about resentment of their primary reason for existence, which is to have the government pass laws that force Christians and non-Christians who don&#8217;t necessarily agree with their beliefs to live their lives as though they do? This is a very different thing from bigotry. It&#8217;s self defense against a group that thinks that so long as they don&#8217;t force people to go to their church anything else goes when it comes to controlling people&#8217;s personal lives.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16780/what-role-should-religion-play-in-politics/comment-page-1/#comment-109313</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What role should religion play in politics?

Legal hurdles aside, the same role it plays in society, or in the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What role should religion play in politics?</p>
<p>Legal hurdles aside, the same role it plays in society, or in the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not a legitimate field of inquiry if it is merely a means of constructing insults or illogically finding someone who is religious (right or left) unfit for an office merely because he or she is religious.  (Note it is the Left, usually not the Religious Left, who exhibits bigotry and hatred toward the Religious Right in this country.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not a legitimate field of inquiry if it is merely a means of constructing insults or illogically finding someone who is religious (right or left) unfit for an office merely because he or she is religious.  (Note it is the Left, usually not the Religious Left, who exhibits bigotry and hatred toward the Religious Right in this country.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Daniels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I was unclear. Christians are as free as others to support whatever party they wish, to support any candidates they wish. My point was simply that I deem it wrong for Christians to insinuate that their parties or candidates are &quot;the&quot; Christian alternative and that their opponents are not. Neither of our major US political parties, for example, has a monopoly on God&#039;s way of thinking. (Indeed, I think that they both do little more than pay condescending lip service to God. But that&#039;s between God and them.)

There may be extreme circumstances, like that which existed in Germany, where one party is so evil, so demonic that the Church must speak out. Specific issues sometimes are so clearly addressed in the Bible that it&#039;s wrong for the Church not to address them. But such circumstances and issues are, to my mind, rare.

Our allegiance as Christians, I believe, must be to Christ and not to isms.

Thanks for your interesting comments.

Mark Daniels</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I was unclear. Christians are as free as others to support whatever party they wish, to support any candidates they wish. My point was simply that I deem it wrong for Christians to insinuate that their parties or candidates are &#8220;the&#8221; Christian alternative and that their opponents are not. Neither of our major US political parties, for example, has a monopoly on God&#8217;s way of thinking. (Indeed, I think that they both do little more than pay condescending lip service to God. But that&#8217;s between God and them.)</p>
<p>There may be extreme circumstances, like that which existed in Germany, where one party is so evil, so demonic that the Church must speak out. Specific issues sometimes are so clearly addressed in the Bible that it&#8217;s wrong for the Church not to address them. But such circumstances and issues are, to my mind, rare.</p>
<p>Our allegiance as Christians, I believe, must be to Christ and not to isms.</p>
<p>Thanks for your interesting comments.</p>
<p>Mark Daniels</p>
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		<title>By: Rayosun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayosun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, while I applaud most of the points you make on this topic, as one of those for whom you express disdain, I beg your indulgence to respond  to :
&quot;Frankly, I dislike the Religious Right. (And the Religious Left, for that matter.) There is simply no way to draw a straight line from faith in Jesus Christ or the Bible as the Word of God to a consistent political philosophy. As a Christian leader, it deeply disturbs me when pastors or other Christian leaders presume to say that Jesus is a Republican or a Democrat. Or that God is a liberal or a conservative. Christians who make such claims subordinate the Deity, the One I believe to be Lord and Creator of heaven and earth, to temporary, temporal philosophies and preferences. In effect, they shove God aside and instead, worship their parties or platforms. &quot; 
Maybe not a &quot;straight line&quot;, but how about a crooked line, (as that is what real life is all about)?  Should  &quot;godly people&quot; only commit to a political party if and when it is 100% godly?  Hitler was only able to become dictator when the powerful Catholic &quot;Centre Party&quot; was persuaded to disband, and allow its members in the Reichstad to vote with the Nazis. Had the Christians of Germany been persuaded by their clergy to support that more Liberal party - imperfect that it no doubt was -, instead of going along with Hitler&#039;s view that churches and clergy should stick to &quot;celestial&quot; matters, and leave politics to politicians like him,  how much better the outcome might have been.  
See why I am damned proud, as a Christian clergyman, to be a liberal and to support the much more liberal (and Christlike) Democratic party at this time in U.S. history, at http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/Democrats .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, while I applaud most of the points you make on this topic, as one of those for whom you express disdain, I beg your indulgence to respond  to :<br />
&#8220;Frankly, I dislike the Religious Right. (And the Religious Left, for that matter.) There is simply no way to draw a straight line from faith in Jesus Christ or the Bible as the Word of God to a consistent political philosophy. As a Christian leader, it deeply disturbs me when pastors or other Christian leaders presume to say that Jesus is a Republican or a Democrat. Or that God is a liberal or a conservative. Christians who make such claims subordinate the Deity, the One I believe to be Lord and Creator of heaven and earth, to temporary, temporal philosophies and preferences. In effect, they shove God aside and instead, worship their parties or platforms. &#8221;<br />
Maybe not a &#8220;straight line&#8221;, but how about a crooked line, (as that is what real life is all about)?  Should  &#8220;godly people&#8221; only commit to a political party if and when it is 100% godly?  Hitler was only able to become dictator when the powerful Catholic &#8220;Centre Party&#8221; was persuaded to disband, and allow its members in the Reichstad to vote with the Nazis. Had the Christians of Germany been persuaded by their clergy to support that more Liberal party &#8211; imperfect that it no doubt was -, instead of going along with Hitler&#8217;s view that churches and clergy should stick to &#8220;celestial&#8221; matters, and leave politics to politicians like him,  how much better the outcome might have been.<br />
See why I am damned proud, as a Christian clergyman, to be a liberal and to support the much more liberal (and Christlike) Democratic party at this time in U.S. history, at <a href="http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/Democrats" rel="nofollow">http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/Democrats</a> .</p>
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