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	<title>Comments on: Oh That George Bush! He Was For The Troops Before He Was Against Them</title>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16742/oh-that-george-bush-he-was-for-the-troops-before-he-was-against-them/comment-page-1/#comment-109168</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On more than one thread everyone was educated already about the junk lawsuits, and it doesn&#039;t look good when and where anyone engages in flat-earth rejection of the obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On more than one thread everyone was educated already about the junk lawsuits, and it doesn&#8217;t look good when and where anyone engages in flat-earth rejection of the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The provision would let trial attorneys enrich themselves at the cost of the US taxpayer

Why do you think the best-known &quot;Medicare for All&quot; bill (complete with unconstitutional refusal to compensate for lost profits when forced conversion to non-profit medicine would take effect) keeps the providers (nominally) private?  It&#039;s not just to fool the stupid supporters.  It leaves the providers open to lawsuits.

If we ever had that, get ready next for mandatory malpractice insurance with (generous-to-lawyers) minimum protection (payoff) levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The provision would let trial attorneys enrich themselves at the cost of the US taxpayer</p>
<p>Why do you think the best-known &#8220;Medicare for All&#8221; bill (complete with unconstitutional refusal to compensate for lost profits when forced conversion to non-profit medicine would take effect) keeps the providers (nominally) private?  It&#8217;s not just to fool the stupid supporters.  It leaves the providers open to lawsuits.</p>
<p>If we ever had that, get ready next for mandatory malpractice insurance with (generous-to-lawyers) minimum protection (payoff) levels.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Honestly, doesn’t this whole thing read like something from The Onion?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, not the whole thing.  (except in the case of press conferences)  That&#039;s where delusion or prejudice (and obvious pre-conclusion) comes into play.  Despite what you may think, not everything that goes wrong here (much less elsewhere in the world) is Bush&#039;s fault.

As for the spelling, I figure you checked what I said elsewhere before making the changes you made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Honestly, doesn’t this whole thing read like something from The Onion?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, not the whole thing.  (except in the case of press conferences)  That&#8217;s where delusion or prejudice (and obvious pre-conclusion) comes into play.  Despite what you may think, not everything that goes wrong here (much less elsewhere in the world) is Bush&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>As for the spelling, I figure you checked what I said elsewhere before making the changes you made.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO, Davebo. That&#039;s right, make excuses for the complete lack-of-spine impotence of the Dems, even though they hold the majority in both houses. What was the vote on the bill again? 90-3 in the Senate? 397-27 in the House? Yeah, I can see it had some &lt;em&gt;serious&lt;/em&gt; Democratic resistance. 

No Republican wrote or inserted that provision. &lt;em&gt;Did you miss that part? &lt;/em&gt;The provision would let trial attorneys enrich themselves at the cost of the US taxpayer and the people of Iraq. &lt;em&gt;Did you miss that part?&lt;/em&gt; It could set back reconstruction in Iraq by years. Did you miss...oh wait, was that the part you were rooting for? 

Lautenberg tried to pay off his buddies in the tort bar. He got caught at it. The secondary effects were apparently of no concern to him--and that&#039;s the &lt;em&gt;most generous&lt;/em&gt; interpretation. I&#039;ll be generous, and just assume he was utterly ignorant of the possibilities. 

&lt;em&gt;The level of naivety in this comment is truly stunning. &lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;m surprised to see you saying such things about yourself, however valid the criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO, Davebo. That&#8217;s right, make excuses for the complete lack-of-spine impotence of the Dems, even though they hold the majority in both houses. What was the vote on the bill again? 90-3 in the Senate? 397-27 in the House? Yeah, I can see it had some <em>serious</em> Democratic resistance. </p>
<p>No Republican wrote or inserted that provision. <em>Did you miss that part? </em>The provision would let trial attorneys enrich themselves at the cost of the US taxpayer and the people of Iraq. <em>Did you miss that part?</em> It could set back reconstruction in Iraq by years. Did you miss&#8230;oh wait, was that the part you were rooting for? </p>
<p>Lautenberg tried to pay off his buddies in the tort bar. He got caught at it. The secondary effects were apparently of no concern to him&#8211;and that&#8217;s the <em>most generous</em> interpretation. I&#8217;ll be generous, and just assume he was utterly ignorant of the possibilities. </p>
<p><em>The level of naivety in this comment is truly stunning. </em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised to see you saying such things about yourself, however valid the criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The president gets to write bills for Congress, Shaun? Even with the Dems in the majority? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No.   The Republican minority with the ability to filibuster any appropriation ignores their party leader and strikes out on their own almost every time.  Just as they did as the majority for the past 7 years.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The bill was not forwarded to the White House until ten days ago. The subtitle list alone is several dozen pages long. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And OMB was completely oblivious to it.   Yeah....  that&#039;s the ticket!

The level of naivety in this comment is truly stunning.  It&#039;s freaking amazing what the 26%&#039;ers are willing to swallow these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The president gets to write bills for Congress, Shaun? Even with the Dems in the majority? </p></blockquote>
<p>No.   The Republican minority with the ability to filibuster any appropriation ignores their party leader and strikes out on their own almost every time.  Just as they did as the majority for the past 7 years.</p>
<blockquote><p>The bill was not forwarded to the White House until ten days ago. The subtitle list alone is several dozen pages long. </p></blockquote>
<p>And OMB was completely oblivious to it.   Yeah&#8230;.  that&#8217;s the ticket!</p>
<p>The level of naivety in this comment is truly stunning.  It&#8217;s freaking amazing what the 26%&#8217;ers are willing to swallow these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The president vetoes his own bill &lt;/em&gt;

The president gets to write bills for Congress, Shaun? Even with the Dems in the majority? Wow, that imperial takeover thing has gone farther than I thought! With that kinda power he doesn&#039;t even need to cancel the elections, he can just dictate from Texas. 

The provision in question was quietly inserted into the bill by Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), staunch friend and ally of the plaintiff&#039;s bar. The White House&#039;s representation of what it &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; be used to do is 100% accurate. Most of the funding that &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; be locked up and taken from Iraqi reconstruction by tort lawyers originated with the American taxpayers. Big payday for the tort bar, US taxpayers and Iraq get the shaft to pay for Saddam&#039;s crimes. Good by you? Even if the suits filed were losers and were thrown out, that money would still be locked up in the meantime instead of being used for reconstruction. &lt;strong&gt;Hmmm, whose political interests would &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; serve? &lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;em&gt;Soldiers are denied a pay raise.&lt;/em&gt;

Soldiers would miss out on an &lt;em&gt;additional&lt;/em&gt; 0.5% raise IF Congress doesn&#039;t patch the bill and re-submit. The previous raise of 3% for 2008 was in a different bill, already passed. 

&lt;em&gt;The administration was unable to explain why it had not acted earlier to object to the provision&lt;/em&gt;

The bill was not forwarded to the White House until ten days ago. The subtitle list alone is several dozen pages long. The bill itself is over six hundred pages. Gee, what took them so long?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The president vetoes his own bill </em></p>
<p>The president gets to write bills for Congress, Shaun? Even with the Dems in the majority? Wow, that imperial takeover thing has gone farther than I thought! With that kinda power he doesn&#8217;t even need to cancel the elections, he can just dictate from Texas. </p>
<p>The provision in question was quietly inserted into the bill by Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), staunch friend and ally of the plaintiff&#8217;s bar. The White House&#8217;s representation of what it <em>could</em> be used to do is 100% accurate. Most of the funding that <em>could</em> be locked up and taken from Iraqi reconstruction by tort lawyers originated with the American taxpayers. Big payday for the tort bar, US taxpayers and Iraq get the shaft to pay for Saddam&#8217;s crimes. Good by you? Even if the suits filed were losers and were thrown out, that money would still be locked up in the meantime instead of being used for reconstruction. <strong>Hmmm, whose political interests would <em>that</em> serve? </strong></p>
<p><em>Soldiers are denied a pay raise.</em></p>
<p>Soldiers would miss out on an <em>additional</em> 0.5% raise IF Congress doesn&#8217;t patch the bill and re-submit. The previous raise of 3% for 2008 was in a different bill, already passed. </p>
<p><em>The administration was unable to explain why it had not acted earlier to object to the provision</em></p>
<p>The bill was not forwarded to the White House until ten days ago. The subtitle list alone is several dozen pages long. The bill itself is over six hundred pages. Gee, what took them so long?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;DLS:&lt;/em&gt;

I may not be a good schpeller (thank you for noting the error), but I know a richly ironic story when I see one: The president vetoes his own bill to prevent an attack on the homeland by litigious plaintiffs&#039; attorneys.

Honestly, doesn&#039;t this whole thing read like something from &lt;em&gt;The Onion&lt;/em&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>DLS:</em></p>
<p>I may not be a good schpeller (thank you for noting the error), but I know a richly ironic story when I see one: The president vetoes his own bill to prevent an attack on the homeland by litigious plaintiffs&#8217; attorneys.</p>
<p>Honestly, doesn&#8217;t this whole thing read like something from <em>The Onion</em>?</p>
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		<title>By: Right Voices &#187; Blog Archive &#187; UPDATES ADDED: Alert:Because Of Dem Shenanigans, Bush Will Veto The Defence Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Right Voices &#187; Blog Archive &#187; UPDATES ADDED: Alert:Because Of Dem Shenanigans, Bush Will Veto The Defence Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shaun doesn&#8217;t seem to grasp the situation at all. Why was this bill not done properly the first time? Why wasn&#8217;t the bill handed to the POTUS for approval by Octomer 1, 2007? That date is in the rules. The Senate is in session. I suggesst they get their asses back to Washington on Monday. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shaun doesn&#8217;t seem to grasp the situation at all. Why was this bill not done properly the first time? Why wasn&#8217;t the bill handed to the POTUS for approval by Octomer 1, 2007? That date is in the rules. The Senate is in session. I suggesst they get their asses back to Washington on Monday. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how the keeping Congress in session during the holidays will affect the veto vote.  Does Congress have a time limit on when they can vote to override the veto?  

Also, in Pelosi had delivered on her promise to work harder, Congress would have had all of the appropriation bills on President Bush&#039;s desk back in September like what was originally designed into the Constitution.  Maybe Congress was to busy having hearings on NFL pension or busy trying to avoid hearings on immigration instead of doing the mandated work of actually passing a budget.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how the keeping Congress in session during the holidays will affect the veto vote.  Does Congress have a time limit on when they can vote to override the veto?  </p>
<p>Also, in Pelosi had delivered on her promise to work harder, Congress would have had all of the appropriation bills on President Bush&#8217;s desk back in September like what was originally designed into the Constitution.  Maybe Congress was to busy having hearings on NFL pension or busy trying to avoid hearings on immigration instead of doing the mandated work of actually passing a budget.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh be still my heart&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I bet it will be pounding on Inauguration Day 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh be still my heart</p></blockquote>
<p>I bet it will be pounding on Inauguration Day 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh[,] be still[,] my heart! &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Would that mean less Bush-bashing and BDS on here, or would others assume the mantle you are holding currently?  (If a tree were to fall in a deep Siberian forest, that would be Bush&#039;s fault, too...)

&lt;blockquote&gt;So the real danger is not terrorism in Iraq but rapacious American plaintiffs’ attorneys.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ll be nice once again and let the illogical part slide by and note aloud: the problem is with junk lawsuits.

If you prefer Bush-bashing that approaches BDS: it&#039;s a deliberately engineered coverup of the earlier Bush and Reagan administration activities on behalf of Hussein (and of the Iranians) in the 1980s.

* * *

By the way, when Bush, a pirate in the Caribbean, or anyone else laughs, it&#039;s &quot;hee, hee,&quot; with two Es.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oh[,] be still[,] my heart! </p></blockquote>
<p>Would that mean less Bush-bashing and BDS on here, or would others assume the mantle you are holding currently?  (If a tree were to fall in a deep Siberian forest, that would be Bush&#8217;s fault, too&#8230;)</p>
<blockquote><p>So the real danger is not terrorism in Iraq but rapacious American plaintiffs’ attorneys.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ll be nice once again and let the illogical part slide by and note aloud: the problem is with junk lawsuits.</p>
<p>If you prefer Bush-bashing that approaches BDS: it&#8217;s a deliberately engineered coverup of the earlier Bush and Reagan administration activities on behalf of Hussein (and of the Iranians) in the 1980s.</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>By the way, when Bush, a pirate in the Caribbean, or anyone else laughs, it&#8217;s &#8220;hee, hee,&#8221; with two Es.</p>
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		<title>By: Somebody</title>
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		<dc:creator>Somebody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Shorter version: Iraq is not accountable to the U.S.&lt;/em&gt;

And when did you discover this well known 4 year old fact Shaun?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Shorter version: Iraq is not accountable to the U.S.</em></p>
<p>And when did you discover this well known 4 year old fact Shaun?</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;DLS:&lt;/em&gt;

Oh be still my heart! 

Soldiers are denied a pay raise.  The materiel pipeline to Iraq is disrupted.   Veterans&#039; care lapses.  All because of the threat of junk lawsuits.

So the real danger is not terrorism in Iraq but rapacious American plaintiffs&#039; attorneys.

Good one.  How rich!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>DLS:</em></p>
<p>Oh be still my heart! </p>
<p>Soldiers are denied a pay raise.  The materiel pipeline to Iraq is disrupted.   Veterans&#8217; care lapses.  All because of the threat of junk lawsuits.</p>
<p>So the real danger is not terrorism in Iraq but rapacious American plaintiffs&#8217; attorneys.</p>
<p>Good one.  How rich!</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The veto was due to concern over junk lawsuits.</description>
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