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	<title>Comments on: Who Killed Benazir Bhutto&#8230;And What Next?</title>
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		<title>By: farooq</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16729/who-killed-benazir-bhuttoand-what-next/comment-page-1/#comment-109131</link>
		<dc:creator>farooq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was killed the death cell and hanged later.His son Murtaza was poisened in Paris.His other son Murtaza ws killed by the police in Karachi under supervision of the then IG who living next door from the place of murder.Who masterminded the return of Benazir Bhutto to Pakistan to eliminate him from local politics byMusharraf,Pervez Ilahi and Arbab,ex chief Mininter of sindh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto was killed the death cell and hanged later.His son Murtaza was poisened in Paris.His other son Murtaza ws killed by the police in Karachi under supervision of the then IG who living next door from the place of murder.Who masterminded the return of Benazir Bhutto to Pakistan to eliminate him from local politics byMusharraf,Pervez Ilahi and Arbab,ex chief Mininter of sindh.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that&#039;s not exactly what they&#039;re saying, Rudi. They&#039;re saying that she struck her head on the sunroof edge and handle &lt;em&gt;when the bomb went off&lt;/em&gt;, before she was completely back in the vehicle. Which is plausible. It might be a lie, of course, but it IS most certainly plausible. 

The Pakistan government has also said they will exhume the body for autopsy if requested by Bhutto&#039;s party, and that they skipped autopsy at the request of Bhutto&#039;s husband. But all of the examining physicians agreed that it was major blunt-force head trauma with exposed brain tissue, that no bullet wounds were noted, and that X-rays showed no metal in her skull. If the head injury were a bullet wound, one would expect either an exit wound or bullet fragments on the X-ray. Even with an exit wound, one would expect some fragmentary show of lead in the skull. 

You don&#039;t get that big an impact from just yanking somoeone into a vehicle. But the whack of a bomb blast could sure do it. 

Yes, such an injury as described could cause instant death--it would be more unusual if it did not, given direct brain injury as opposed to simple hematoma causing intra-cranial pressure. Yes, they could be lying. No, the story is not implausible. Yes, a full autopsy could clear it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s not exactly what they&#8217;re saying, Rudi. They&#8217;re saying that she struck her head on the sunroof edge and handle <em>when the bomb went off</em>, before she was completely back in the vehicle. Which is plausible. It might be a lie, of course, but it IS most certainly plausible. </p>
<p>The Pakistan government has also said they will exhume the body for autopsy if requested by Bhutto&#8217;s party, and that they skipped autopsy at the request of Bhutto&#8217;s husband. But all of the examining physicians agreed that it was major blunt-force head trauma with exposed brain tissue, that no bullet wounds were noted, and that X-rays showed no metal in her skull. If the head injury were a bullet wound, one would expect either an exit wound or bullet fragments on the X-ray. Even with an exit wound, one would expect some fragmentary show of lead in the skull. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t get that big an impact from just yanking somoeone into a vehicle. But the whack of a bomb blast could sure do it. </p>
<p>Yes, such an injury as described could cause instant death&#8211;it would be more unusual if it did not, given direct brain injury as opposed to simple hematoma causing intra-cranial pressure. Yes, they could be lying. No, the story is not implausible. Yes, a full autopsy could clear it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Flank &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Excellent and the Required on Bhutto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Flank &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Excellent and the Required on Bhutto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 03:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3. Swaraaj Chauhan performs his own investigation into Bhutto&#8217;s assassin. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tully - The Pakis IM is basically saying she struck her head during the assassination attempt and that is what killed her. Never mind about bullets or an explosion.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_investigation
Wanna bet the assassin was a military person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tully &#8211; The Pakis IM is basically saying she struck her head during the assassination attempt and that is what killed her. Never mind about bullets or an explosion.<br />
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_investigation" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_investigation</a><br />
Wanna bet the assassin was a military person.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The Pakistanis IM explanation would be plausible if BB SUV was traveling 90MPH and stuck a wall. &lt;/em&gt;

Or if, say, a BOMB went off next to her as the car accelerated and as she was being yanked down into a metal edge. Massive head trauma does not take long to kill, and can easily be instantaneous. Smacking your skull into a hard edge hard enough to leave brain tissue crushed and exposed would do it.

A typical skull fracture doesn&#039;t kill any more than a broken arm does--it&#039;s the underlying brain injury (contra-coup hematoma) that kills. Don&#039;t even need a fracture for that, just a shock to the head.  But a depressed fracture that actually drives bone into the dura matter is a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The Pakistanis IM explanation would be plausible if BB SUV was traveling 90MPH and stuck a wall. </em></p>
<p>Or if, say, a BOMB went off next to her as the car accelerated and as she was being yanked down into a metal edge. Massive head trauma does not take long to kill, and can easily be instantaneous. Smacking your skull into a hard edge hard enough to leave brain tissue crushed and exposed would do it.</p>
<p>A typical skull fracture doesn&#8217;t kill any more than a broken arm does&#8211;it&#8217;s the underlying brain injury (contra-coup hematoma) that kills. Don&#8217;t even need a fracture for that, just a shock to the head.  But a depressed fracture that actually drives bone into the dura matter is a different story.</p>
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		<title>By: Pakistani Government reveals how Benazir was killed&#8230;.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pakistani Government reveals how Benazir was killed&#8230;.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MSNBC, CNN, CANOE, Reuters, The Raw Story, Talking Points Memo, The Moderate Voice, Confederate Yankee, Washington Post, The Seminal, Firedoglake, Little Green Footballs, New York [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that most skull fractures take some time to kill. The IED&#039;s and car crashes(very high KE transferred to skull) aren&#039;t like BB&#039;s SUV starting up ( low momentum and low KE) and her smacking her head. Dale Earhart died due to a HKE skull facture, most are just the results of a fall or blunt force LKE.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Injury Analysis

An autopsy conducted the next day by the Daytona Beach medical examiner indicated Earnhardt had sustained eight fractured ribs, a fractured sternum and a basilar skull fracture.

Abrasions over his left hip and left lower abdomen were believed to have been caused by his seatbelt. An abrasion on the bottom of his chin indicated where it struck the steering wheel, creating a significant dent in it. The EMS report indicated the steering wheel was bent as expected in a high-speed collision and would account for his fractured sternum. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The Pakistanis IM explanation would be plausible if BB SUV was traveling 90MPH and stuck a wall. But LE blunt trauma isn&#039;t usaully instantly fatal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that most skull fractures take some time to kill. The IED&#8217;s and car crashes(very high KE transferred to skull) aren&#8217;t like BB&#8217;s SUV starting up ( low momentum and low KE) and her smacking her head. Dale Earhart died due to a HKE skull facture, most are just the results of a fall or blunt force LKE.</p>
<blockquote><p>Injury Analysis</p>
<p>An autopsy conducted the next day by the Daytona Beach medical examiner indicated Earnhardt had sustained eight fractured ribs, a fractured sternum and a basilar skull fracture.</p>
<p>Abrasions over his left hip and left lower abdomen were believed to have been caused by his seatbelt. An abrasion on the bottom of his chin indicated where it struck the steering wheel, creating a significant dent in it. The EMS report indicated the steering wheel was bent as expected in a high-speed collision and would account for his fractured sternum. </p></blockquote>
<p>The Pakistanis IM explanation would be plausible if BB SUV was traveling 90MPH and stuck a wall. But LE blunt trauma isn&#8217;t usaully instantly fatal.</p>
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		<title>By: Entropy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bhutto was her own person and didn&#039;t need any pressure from Bush or anyone else to return to Pakistan and attempt to regain the Presidency.  The idea that Bush/Condi &quot;orchestrated&quot; her return suggests she was some kind of easily manipulated buffoon.  What a load of horse-pucky.

And skull fracture/brain trauma is not an unlikely cause of death and is, in fact, what kills some of our own soldiers in IED attacks, though not too often because they usually have helmets on.  It&#039;s the same reason getting thrown in a car crash is often fatal - the skull or even skin does not have to be broken to kill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bhutto was her own person and didn&#8217;t need any pressure from Bush or anyone else to return to Pakistan and attempt to regain the Presidency.  The idea that Bush/Condi &#8220;orchestrated&#8221; her return suggests she was some kind of easily manipulated buffoon.  What a load of horse-pucky.</p>
<p>And skull fracture/brain trauma is not an unlikely cause of death and is, in fact, what kills some of our own soldiers in IED attacks, though not too often because they usually have helmets on.  It&#8217;s the same reason getting thrown in a car crash is often fatal &#8211; the skull or even skin does not have to be broken to kill.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;[yawn] BDS comments are worse than any clever humor &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And yet you make them on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>[yawn] BDS comments are worse than any clever humor </p></blockquote>
<p>And yet you make them on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Pearl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Pearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also highly skeptical of the Pakistani Government&#039;s take on the situation, simply because it is so starkly in conflict with eye-witness accounts.  This also raises questions about a possible role for the Pakistani Military or government in this matter.

And DLS, simply attributing contrary opinions to BDS is intellectually weak and pathetic.  If you want to do that, just go over to &quot;Blogs for Victory.&quot;  They excel in that crap and would gladly welcome a new Republican Line-tower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also highly skeptical of the Pakistani Government&#8217;s take on the situation, simply because it is so starkly in conflict with eye-witness accounts.  This also raises questions about a possible role for the Pakistani Military or government in this matter.</p>
<p>And DLS, simply attributing contrary opinions to BDS is intellectually weak and pathetic.  If you want to do that, just go over to &#8220;Blogs for Victory.&#8221;  They excel in that crap and would gladly welcome a new Republican Line-tower.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Bush and Condo didn&#039;t orchestrate her return, then you have BDS. But using her to prop up our boy Mushie did make them slightly complicit in her death. Maybe she could have campaigned with McClown from a market...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bush and Condo didn&#8217;t orchestrate her return, then you have BDS. But using her to prop up our boy Mushie did make them slightly complicit in her death. Maybe she could have campaigned with McClown from a market&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belief in accountability = BDS 

Bush apologist syndrome = BAS

Confusion between the two = DLS

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belief in accountability = BDS </p>
<p>Bush apologist syndrome = BAS</p>
<p>Confusion between the two = DLS</p>
<p> <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[yawn]  BDS comments are worse than any clever humor (not &quot;adolescent comments&quot; [sic]) in reponse to it.  Issue closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[yawn]  BDS comments are worse than any clever humor (not &#8220;adolescent comments&#8221; [sic]) in reponse to it.  Issue closed.</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Bush Administration did not kill Benazir Bhutto; someone else did that. But it appears the Administration convinced her to go back to Pakistan to save a risky policy foolishly built on a despised, repressive military dictator to fight the US ‘war on terror.’ Now a courageous woman is dead, another nation is in chaos, the US is further discredited.&quot; 

Essentially the same thing I said the other day. This is indeed a tragedy. In an age where there is a dearth of courageous role models, Bhutto stood out.

DLS - Adolescent comments add nothing useful to the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Bush Administration did not kill Benazir Bhutto; someone else did that. But it appears the Administration convinced her to go back to Pakistan to save a risky policy foolishly built on a despised, repressive military dictator to fight the US ‘war on terror.’ Now a courageous woman is dead, another nation is in chaos, the US is further discredited.&#8221; </p>
<p>Essentially the same thing I said the other day. This is indeed a tragedy. In an age where there is a dearth of courageous role models, Bhutto stood out.</p>
<p>DLS &#8211; Adolescent comments add nothing useful to the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Bad snark to add to the debate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What&#039;s bad is to blame Bush in any way for this killing or worse, to invent all kinds of lies and other false accusations and direct them at those of us that correct such misbehavior.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Pakistanis now claim a skull fracture actually killed BB.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve read that, too, and don&#039;t believe it any more than you do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Bad snark to add to the debate.</p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s bad is to blame Bush in any way for this killing or worse, to invent all kinds of lies and other false accusations and direct them at those of us that correct such misbehavior.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Pakistanis now claim a skull fracture actually killed BB.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve read that, too, and don&#8217;t believe it any more than you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS - Bad snark to add to the debate. Maybe the Dutch lad or LGF will welcome you to there moderate blogs.

The Pakistanis now claim a skull fracture actually killed BB. But I thought a skull fracture is a slower death than bullet trauma. They actually claim she banged her head on the back of the sun roof. This is as absurd as claiming Kennedy died from whiplash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS &#8211; Bad snark to add to the debate. Maybe the Dutch lad or LGF will welcome you to there moderate blogs.</p>
<p>The Pakistanis now claim a skull fracture actually killed BB. But I thought a skull fracture is a slower death than bullet trauma. They actually claim she banged her head on the back of the sun roof. This is as absurd as claiming Kennedy died from whiplash.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl Rove sent Valerie Plame to kill Bhutto so Scooter Libby could be installed in her place and avoid further jail time without the need for a politically costly Bush pardon.

Didn&#039;t you know?  Didn&#039;t Shaun tell you yet?  heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl Rove sent Valerie Plame to kill Bhutto so Scooter Libby could be installed in her place and avoid further jail time without the need for a politically costly Bush pardon.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you know?  Didn&#8217;t Shaun tell you yet?  heh</p>
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