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	<title>Comments on: Sioux Indians of Lakota Tribe Tell State Dept. of Secession</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noted that Indian Country Today, the nation&#039;s largest Native American newspaper has not yet mentioned this event. Neither has Lakota News, nor apparently has the local community radio 
station in Lakota terrain. A mere press release in this case,
 appears to have been taken at face value, and without 
question, instead of vetted well. There are several 
serious stories underlying this matter and other related matters that have nothing to do with Mr. Means. I believe we will in coming days hear more here at TMV on the actual concerns. No native group is monolithic. 

And perhaps the larger story here at the moment, most of all, 
given LaDonna&#039;s analyses, is how world communities
 can take up and repeat &#039;news&#039; like the child&#039;s game of &#039;Telephone,&quot; in the same way that individuals take up
false &#039;urban legends&#039; as whole cloth... at least until someone exposes their faulted origins. 

It is true that in all human nature, there is a desire to 
hear &#039;news&#039; that supports one&#039;s views, salves one&#039;s wounds, makes one feel strong and walk with pride, to hear someone say out loud what many are secretly thinking. It is true of all of us. We probably, seriously, need an international Snopes... for when news instead of being covered has become unwittingly or not, a publicity auxiliary ... and for whenever journalism has fallen into jingoism.

dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noted that Indian Country Today, the nation&#8217;s largest Native American newspaper has not yet mentioned this event. Neither has Lakota News, nor apparently has the local community radio<br />
station in Lakota terrain. A mere press release in this case,<br />
 appears to have been taken at face value, and without<br />
question, instead of vetted well. There are several<br />
serious stories underlying this matter and other related matters that have nothing to do with Mr. Means. I believe we will in coming days hear more here at TMV on the actual concerns. No native group is monolithic. </p>
<p>And perhaps the larger story here at the moment, most of all,<br />
given LaDonna&#8217;s analyses, is how world communities<br />
 can take up and repeat &#8216;news&#8217; like the child&#8217;s game of &#8216;Telephone,&#8221; in the same way that individuals take up<br />
false &#8216;urban legends&#8217; as whole cloth&#8230; at least until someone exposes their faulted origins. </p>
<p>It is true that in all human nature, there is a desire to<br />
hear &#8216;news&#8217; that supports one&#8217;s views, salves one&#8217;s wounds, makes one feel strong and walk with pride, to hear someone say out loud what many are secretly thinking. It is true of all of us. We probably, seriously, need an international Snopes&#8230; for when news instead of being covered has become unwittingly or not, a publicity auxiliary &#8230; and for whenever journalism has fallen into jingoism.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: LaDonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article from Le Monde is lifted from the report of AFP (Agence France Presse) which was published internationally while being the epitome of bad journalism: the reporter was sloppy. She did not verify her facts before qualifying the four individuals that showed up in Washington D.C. as &quot;chiefs&quot; or &quot;leaders&#039; or &quot;representatives of the Lakota Nation&quot;, etc... and oh yes, the &quot;descendants of Sitting bull and Crazy Horse&quot; which they are not.  These four individuals represent no one but themselves. They do not carry any authority or represent any official body of the Lakota Nation whatsoever.

The main actor in this grand stand  is Russell Means whose home address on Crazy Horse Drive of Pine Ridge serves as business address for Lakota Freedom Delegation. Pine Ridge Reservation is the home of the Oglala, one of the seven bands of the Lakota Nation (settled on eight reservations).  Each band has two forms of government: the Tribal Council, established by democratic vote in elections, and the traditional elders&#039; council which deals primarily with the issues of territorial rights, the various treaties signed with the  U.S., ETC..  Russell Means has a residence on Pine Ridge and tried to get elected as Chairman of on Pine Ridge Reservation on three occasions, and each time lost the elections, but he is not an Oglala.  The reason is quite simple: all Oglala lakota people know he is not an Oglala , but a Rosebud individual (reservation of Sicangu or Brule, next door).  His two brothers, Bill and Ted, quite correctly live on the Rosebud reservation.  Their genealogy, to be found in the archives of the Oglala Lakota College, states that Ruseell Means was born of a Rosebud woman, and a father who was the son of a Crow woman and a white man, a member of the American military forces.

The only two newspapers that seemed to know the real facts behind the appearance of official representation were the local newspapers, the Rapid City Journal and the Indian newspaper Indian Country Today. Both took  this story with a grain of salt, and the RCJ did the right thing: they got in touch with the Chairman of the Rosebud Reservation (note: not the Pine Ridge reservation)  to ask his take on the matter. The Chairman of the Rosebud Reservation, of which Russell means is a constituent, replied that he knew absolutely nothing of this stunt, and he and his government certainly had not seceded and did not intend to.  As for the claims of having contacted all sorts of ruling bodies of the Lakota nation for three months before  announcing the annulment of the Treaty with the US government, it seems that too is not the outright truth as Avis Little Eagle of Standing Rock reservation also stated that this was the first she had heard of it, and Avis - whom I know personally - works both as a member of the Tribal Council and with the traditional viewpoint.  

It is unfortunate that the AFP has circulated a story which is essentially no more than a stunt, that Le Monde has reprinted it and that the world press is eager to reprint without factual background as to its veracity.   Even the Turks are now sending words of congratulations to Russell Means, which should shame him (but he is beyond shame and honor) as the Turks are known for their genocide of the Armenians, their &quot;imperialist&quot; Ottoman Empire, and more recently, their desire to crush the KURDS of northern Iraq.  If Mr. Means knew history, he would know that every freedom fighter in the world sees an ally in the Kurds. The Kurds are the friends of those who seek equity and democratic freedom. Shame, shame on the Lakota Freedom Delegation, Russell Means, Gary Rowland, Duane martin, and Phyllis Young, for publicizing the fact that the Turks are pleased with their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article from Le Monde is lifted from the report of AFP (Agence France Presse) which was published internationally while being the epitome of bad journalism: the reporter was sloppy. She did not verify her facts before qualifying the four individuals that showed up in Washington D.C. as &#8220;chiefs&#8221; or &#8220;leaders&#8217; or &#8220;representatives of the Lakota Nation&#8221;, etc&#8230; and oh yes, the &#8220;descendants of Sitting bull and Crazy Horse&#8221; which they are not.  These four individuals represent no one but themselves. They do not carry any authority or represent any official body of the Lakota Nation whatsoever.</p>
<p>The main actor in this grand stand  is Russell Means whose home address on Crazy Horse Drive of Pine Ridge serves as business address for Lakota Freedom Delegation. Pine Ridge Reservation is the home of the Oglala, one of the seven bands of the Lakota Nation (settled on eight reservations).  Each band has two forms of government: the Tribal Council, established by democratic vote in elections, and the traditional elders&#8217; council which deals primarily with the issues of territorial rights, the various treaties signed with the  U.S., ETC..  Russell Means has a residence on Pine Ridge and tried to get elected as Chairman of on Pine Ridge Reservation on three occasions, and each time lost the elections, but he is not an Oglala.  The reason is quite simple: all Oglala lakota people know he is not an Oglala , but a Rosebud individual (reservation of Sicangu or Brule, next door).  His two brothers, Bill and Ted, quite correctly live on the Rosebud reservation.  Their genealogy, to be found in the archives of the Oglala Lakota College, states that Ruseell Means was born of a Rosebud woman, and a father who was the son of a Crow woman and a white man, a member of the American military forces.</p>
<p>The only two newspapers that seemed to know the real facts behind the appearance of official representation were the local newspapers, the Rapid City Journal and the Indian newspaper Indian Country Today. Both took  this story with a grain of salt, and the RCJ did the right thing: they got in touch with the Chairman of the Rosebud Reservation (note: not the Pine Ridge reservation)  to ask his take on the matter. The Chairman of the Rosebud Reservation, of which Russell means is a constituent, replied that he knew absolutely nothing of this stunt, and he and his government certainly had not seceded and did not intend to.  As for the claims of having contacted all sorts of ruling bodies of the Lakota nation for three months before  announcing the annulment of the Treaty with the US government, it seems that too is not the outright truth as Avis Little Eagle of Standing Rock reservation also stated that this was the first she had heard of it, and Avis &#8211; whom I know personally &#8211; works both as a member of the Tribal Council and with the traditional viewpoint.  </p>
<p>It is unfortunate that the AFP has circulated a story which is essentially no more than a stunt, that Le Monde has reprinted it and that the world press is eager to reprint without factual background as to its veracity.   Even the Turks are now sending words of congratulations to Russell Means, which should shame him (but he is beyond shame and honor) as the Turks are known for their genocide of the Armenians, their &#8220;imperialist&#8221; Ottoman Empire, and more recently, their desire to crush the KURDS of northern Iraq.  If Mr. Means knew history, he would know that every freedom fighter in the world sees an ally in the Kurds. The Kurds are the friends of those who seek equity and democratic freedom. Shame, shame on the Lakota Freedom Delegation, Russell Means, Gary Rowland, Duane martin, and Phyllis Young, for publicizing the fact that the Turks are pleased with their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, now, everybody:

1. These things aren&#039;t taken too seriously.  Often it&#039;s just the occasional true extreme Rightist, who claims his home or property is indepedent, often for [anti-]tax activist purposes.  As with them, with this case, the issue won&#039;t last long.  It will take less time to resolve than Manifest Destiny took to settle a much larger question of force over who had jurisdiction over much of North America.

2. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;What will happen if the Indians secede and take their casinos with them. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The secession wouldn&#039;t last long, and if we wanted to be creative in imagining things, rather than commando raids on the casinos or bombing them, just imagine a full cordon and blockade of that &quot;sovereign nation.&quot;  No power, no water...nothing allowed in or out.  (Kind of what we should have done in many cases in Iraq, but we weren&#039;t prepared or ready to do.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now, everybody:</p>
<p>1. These things aren&#8217;t taken too seriously.  Often it&#8217;s just the occasional true extreme Rightist, who claims his home or property is indepedent, often for [anti-]tax activist purposes.  As with them, with this case, the issue won&#8217;t last long.  It will take less time to resolve than Manifest Destiny took to settle a much larger question of force over who had jurisdiction over much of North America.</p>
<p>2. </p>
<blockquote><p>What will happen if the Indians secede and take their casinos with them. </p></blockquote>
<p>The secession wouldn&#8217;t last long, and if we wanted to be creative in imagining things, rather than commando raids on the casinos or bombing them, just imagine a full cordon and blockade of that &#8220;sovereign nation.&#8221;  No power, no water&#8230;nothing allowed in or out.  (Kind of what we should have done in many cases in Iraq, but we weren&#8217;t prepared or ready to do.)</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Ward Churchill going to be the guy&#039;s VP?  hahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Ward Churchill going to be the guy&#8217;s VP?  hahaha</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I hear, Indian tribes are sovereign nations unto themselves in the USA and they pay no local, state or Federal taxes on anything, including casino profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I hear, Indian tribes are sovereign nations unto themselves in the USA and they pay no local, state or Federal taxes on anything, including casino profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief. For once I agree with Bones about something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief. For once I agree with Bones about something.</p>
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		<title>By: Bones_708</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bones_708</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people don&#039;t represent anyone but themselves. Russell Means appointed himself, the Native Americans he claims to represent sure didn&#039;t appoint or elect him to anything. It&#039;s a meaningless publicity stunt that deserves no attention. Issues in the Native American community deserve attention not this jerk-off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people don&#8217;t represent anyone but themselves. Russell Means appointed himself, the Native Americans he claims to represent sure didn&#8217;t appoint or elect him to anything. It&#8217;s a meaningless publicity stunt that deserves no attention. Issues in the Native American community deserve attention not this jerk-off.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What will happen if the Indians secede and take their casinos with them. The taxes at Indian casinos isn&#039;t chump change. I saw(not the Mitten way) the conditions in the northern Michigan UP (Brimley) and the western end of South Dakota in the 1970&#039;s, it&#039;s a big jump from todays conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What will happen if the Indians secede and take their casinos with them. The taxes at Indian casinos isn&#8217;t chump change. I saw(not the Mitten way) the conditions in the northern Michigan UP (Brimley) and the western end of South Dakota in the 1970&#8242;s, it&#8217;s a big jump from todays conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Discussed this over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://ronbeas2.blogspot.com/2007/12/next-wounded-knee.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Middle Earth Journal &lt;/a&gt;and on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blogtalkradio.com/msr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mid Stream Radio &lt;/a&gt;last week and a link to an interview with Russell Means can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://ronbeas2.blogspot.com/2007/12/hot-update-on-lakota-tribe.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Discussed this over at <a href="http://ronbeas2.blogspot.com/2007/12/next-wounded-knee.html" rel="nofollow">Middle Earth Journal </a>and on <a href="http://www.blogtalkradio.com/msr" rel="nofollow">Mid Stream Radio </a>last week and a link to an interview with Russell Means can be found <a href="http://ronbeas2.blogspot.com/2007/12/hot-update-on-lakota-tribe.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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