Comments on: Bush’s ‘Shameful Stance’ in Bali

By: DLS

DLS — Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:48:10 +0000

Who knows, given enough time and exposure to good information, maybe even you’ll come around.

Quantity and quality must be there, politics-free. This issue is enormously blighted by leftist politics, making microscopic the rightist politics the Bush people have engaged in. It is stupid, repeat, stupid to feel there is a “need” to take “rapid, vigorous” action here.

Air pollution is serious. Global-warming politics and lunatic demands on policy are not.

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:17:22 +0000

Jim Satterfield- I agree with you 100%. On issues that Bush could care less about (and that’s a whole lot of issues) but knows he needs to respond to for political reasons he does a whole lot of talkin’ but not much else.

By: Jim Satterfield

Jim Satterfield — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:00:46 +0000

The foreign press is not that full of it on this issue. Bush, as is his norm on most issues, is trying to look like he’s doing something when he isn’t. I’m not going to defend Bush on his wrong-headedness no matter who is pointing it out.

By: JSpencer

JSpencer — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:59:21 +0000

DLS, I’m afraid you’re on the wrong side of the debate again. Because of pressure from people in Bali with the same sentiments I’ve been expressing here, the US just agreed to a compromise that will put us on the path toward international cooperation to control GW. There is a long way to go, but it’s a beginning. Who knows, given enough time and exposure to good information, maybe even you’ll come around.

By: DLS

DLS — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:29:23 +0000

We shouldn’t permit the USA to be dragged down into political nonsense, and US-bashers are full of it, again, as usual.

By: JSpencer

JSpencer — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:52:38 +0000

I hold my own country to a higher standard than I do other countries, so when I see the leadership role being taken by others – while we wallow and make excuses, then I am inspired to criticize. If criticism from other countries can shame us into doing the right thing, then so be it – so long as that criticism is accurate. If I didn’t love my country and have high expectations for it, then I suppose I might react defensively every time I heard it criticized by others, or maybe I’d just be apathetic. Of course neither of those does anything to acknowledge the problem. If we take a lead in engaging GW with courage, resolve and strength, then the ones who are using us as an excuse to balk will be more likely to fall in line.

By: Rudi

Rudi — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:20:30 +0000

Nice h/t to yourself Snooper, but may say the ice cap will completely melt in 25 years or less.
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5jnqVxZzeP1OCEUK-8J_czsKABWtA

Hadow said in October that he wanted to give scientists a better picture of the Arctic ice, enabling them to better track the impact of global warming on the earth’s vulnerable pole.

There was record melting of the Arctic ice cap this year to 39 per cent below the average minimum, causing experts to predict the Arctic Ocean would be ice-free in summer within 25 years.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071213/NEWS07/712130415/1009

Last year, two top scientists surprised their colleagues by projecting that the Arctic sea ice was melting so rapidly that it could disappear entirely by the summer of 2040.

This week, after reviewing his own new data, NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.”

By: kritt

kritt — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:16:32 +0000

Bush may be a donkey, but he’s our donkey.

By: Megaman_X

Megaman_X — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:54:28 +0000

You know the United States is really getting it wrong when we're getting called out on our neglect by frickin' Saudi Arabia, one of the worst countries next to the USA when it comes to dealing with global warming.

By: Snooper

Snooper — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:44:45 +0000

Global Warming: The Myth

By: StockBoySF

StockBoySF — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:32:58 +0000

I don’t know about you but I’m always irritated when the foreign press trashes my country. Even if I agree with what they say I still don’t like it. (Anyone who has read anything I’ve posted on here surely knows how much I hate the Bush administration and think they’re in government for power and money). I take the attitude of, “Hey, it’s my country- I may not agree with everything but leave us alone and we’ll get rid of Bush in another year.”

It’s also, in a way I think, the same basis as my argument for not being in Iraq. Iraq does not pose a threat to the US and Bush is only meddling in their country. Bush puts his own interests (and not just money) first and does not allow the Iraqis to come to any solutions on their own. Bush would like us to believe that failure in Iraq means that US is threatened. I respond by asking, “The US is threatened by what? The mighty Iraqi army? A few terrorists in Iraq who are actually from other countries? The Iraqi oil supply that is producing rivers of oil flowing freely to tankers and our shores which is keeping our gas costs so low we can drive SUVs around the block to visit the neighbors?” It’s that meddling by others that drives me up the wall. Certainly if Iraq did pose a real threat to the US I’d love to volunteer for the army and kick their ass… but they don’t pose a threat and (as the posting said) Bush has lived in affluent isolation and has neither sensitivity nor insight.

Sorry, I have a bee in my bonnet…. it’s out now.

Anyway, I agree with everything the article says and it’s great that I get this affirmation from the foreign media! LMAO! Just don’t meddle. And I may agree with it but I still don’t want foreigners to trash my country.

By: JSpencer

JSpencer — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:41:25 +0000

We live in a time where it can be truly embarrassing to be a US citizen – our global warming stance is one such example. Instead of dragging our heels and whining about excuses, we of all countries should be taking the lead. I look forward to the day when my government no longer turns it’s back on science and stops shirking it’s responsibilities.