Comments on: Is Hillary Clinton’s Presidential Bid Headed For A Great Fall?

By: Memnison Journal » Political brews:

Memnison Journal » Political brews: — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 17:41:28 +0000

[...] personal call is that Edwards and Obama will (over the course of the next month) derail the Clinton procession to the throne. I give Edwards/Obama/Clinton for the finish in Iowa, and Obama/Clinton/Edwards in New [...]

By: Somebody

Somebody — Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:08:07 +0000

Hep me. Ive booked passage on the Titantic.

Figures I would support Hillary and she goes down in a blaze of glory.

Pakistan is fixing to fall to the Taliban. The middle east is in deep doo doo. Mortgage and Loans are failing. The country is fixing to go into recession. We are bankrupt and this nation is just a few years away from the USSR.

What do we as a nation do?

We turn to a man who has 3 whole years of experience doing anything besides voting for who should get the next beer license.

I can only shake my head. Please. Vote for Bill Richardson and lets put some experience in the white house.

By: DLS

DLS — Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:04:51 +0000

I have to head out of town and want to yield the floor but first I'll post two more links here. 1. Well before today, Obama has sought to get the votes of black Americans, particularly to snatch them from Clinton, and he is succeeding. (WSJ)

The black vote is likely to be crucial in the cascade of primaries that follow Iowa and New Hampshire next year. Blacks make up almost half of Democratic primary voters in South Carolina and Georgia, one third in Virginia and a quarter in Tennessee. They also make up a fifth of primary voters in New York and 15% in Delaware and Ohio.

[More than half in Mississippi] 2. Joe's best-known brother-in-arms when it comes to reporting failures by Hillary Clinton, Dick Morris, has this to say (courtesy of Fox):

The conclusion is inescapable: the more voters come to know Hillary Clinton the less they like her and the more they get to know Barack Obama the more they like him.

It remains to see if this is truly so, and nation-wide.

By: DLS

DLS — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:14:41 +0000

Not that there isn’t news to report (the drug-use attack, Huckabee hiring Rollins), but every little thing that happens currently in no way constitutes doom for Clinton at the convention.

By: Mike P.

Mike P. — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:00:19 +0000

I tend to discount anything Peggy Noonan has to say, especially about Democrats. However, what was remarkable about HRC’s campaign was its near perfect execution early on – I think you may have written essentially the same thing here in the past, Joe. Heck, even Andrew Sullivan was awed by her campaign and debate peformances (and deeply disheartened by them) up until about a month ago.

That’s why watching them stumble repeatedly now is fascinating to me as an observer. While I think most (not all) of those stumbles have been silly mistakes not “approved by Hillary,” for instance the Shaheen statement, some have been her mistakes (Obama’s ability to zing her at the last debate, at the same time making her comment seem petty.)

One thing I’m far more convinced of today than 4 years ago is the influence of Iowa and NH on the race. After seeing Kerry come from single digit approval a few weeks before Iowa only to win the caucus, and fairly quickly thereafter the Dem nod, I think there is real reason to view her nomination as far less than inevitable today.

Still, it’s also at least as difficult for me to see Obama beating her nationwide.

This certainly is a political junkie’s year to watch both party races!

By: DLS

DLS — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:55:57 +0000

This is essentially a news roundup.

It's too premature, and too hyped. You and others will be in a real position to comment and speculate after the first few elections, and in a much better position after February 5. election calendar

By: Sam

Sam — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:19:57 +0000

Down with the line of succession! The American people maybe won’t elect the monarchy again. This is wonderful news. I’d sooner vote for Pat Robertson than someone who is in the immediate family of a former president.

By: Joe Gandelman

Joe Gandelman — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:12:57 +0000

DLS: I need to state this once again. We write LOTS of posts where people have said we are pushing for Hillary. I myself do posts of all kinds. If you want to assume wrongly that when I or anyone here does a post we are “hoping” someone succeeds or fails, your deluding yourself. This is essentially a news roundup. I did not invent the stories cited in this and, yes, I will do posts will be favorable to her and not favorable to her and others because I don’t belong to any party and am not pushing for any candidate. This is typical of the tendency now for many to immediately go after a news outlet or a writer if they don’t like a story or post. Also, our comments on a post are read and taken seriously if you outline what you feel is wrong in the post..specifically…and what you can present that indicates it isn’t the full or accurate picture. Just saying that someone wrote the post because they have the person the post is about or is nuts doesn’t encourage someone who writes a post to read further comments. I had plenty of emails from people earlier this year asking if I was on Hillary’s payroll and their campaign even placed an ad on tmv. I don’t do post to get ads from any campaign…I call each issue each day as I see them and try to give readers links and my best take on it as I see it.

By: DLS

DLS — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:28:43 +0000

The latest can be found here (Pew)

Most Americans view Winfrey's support for Obama as a plus for his campaign. Six-in-ten say her support will help his candidacy, only 1% thinks it will hurt his candidacy, and 31% say it will not make any difference. The same percentage said Winfrey's endorsement would help Obama in a September poll. Democrats, Republicans and Independents are all in agreement that Oprah's support for Obama will help not hurt his candidacy (64% of Democrats, 63% of Republicans, and 61% of Independents say it will help).

By: domajot

domajot — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:59:02 +0000

This has obviously become politics by commentary.
Treue dispassionate journalism is totally absent.

There is absolutely no difference between a political ad (which at least can be seen for what it is),and the closed circle of commenters reporting on other commenters

Facts are glaringly absent. What we have is speculation based on other speculation. Then, (surprise, surprise) the polls bear out what the speculations predict.

I give credit to political ads for their honesty of intent.

By: DLS

DLS — Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:01:08 +0000

I’ll at least give Shaun credit for criticizing Hillary rather than doing what the rest of you are doing here. The race hasn’t even really begun yet and any time Clinton stumbles, or you imagine she stumbles, you take up half a screen or more hyping things like crazy. She’s well to the left of some of you, despite her campaign stage image. What’s with you kids?

Do you realize you’re as nuts about hoping for the fall of Hillary Clinton, or more nuts, in thought and word, than Dick Morris? You at least have company.