Comments on: S-CHIP Goes Down the Tubes Again http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:08:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: For President Info » Blog Archive » Healthcare http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-108160 For President Info » Blog Archive » Healthcare Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:06:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-108160 [...] The Moderate Voice: “For the second time, President Bush has vetoed a major expansion of the S-CHIP children's health insurance program despite Democratic efforts to rewrite the bill to meet his objections. The new bill had firmer caps on income eligibility and banned children of illegal immigrants from qualifying. In vetoing the bill, Bush said that “our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage.'” [...] [...] The Moderate Voice: “For the second time, President Bush has vetoed a major expansion of the S-CHIP children's health insurance program despite Democratic efforts to rewrite the bill to meet his objections. The new bill had firmer caps on income eligibility and banned children of illegal immigrants from qualifying. In vetoing the bill, Bush said that “our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage.'” [...]

]]> By: Jim Satterfield http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-108011 Jim Satterfield Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:09:51 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-108011 The Democrats have passed many things in the House, only to see the Republicans in the Senate block them with the collusion of Bush. That's not a do-nothing Congress, it's a do-nothing Republican Party. It wouldn't matter what the Democrats did with any bill. Unless it's 100% what Bush wants it won't pass. The Democrats have passed many things in the House, only to see the Republicans in the Senate block them with the collusion of Bush. That’s not a do-nothing Congress, it’s a do-nothing Republican Party. It wouldn’t matter what the Democrats did with any bill. Unless it’s 100% what Bush wants it won’t pass.

]]> By: kritt http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-108008 kritt Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:37:16 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-108008 Doma- Of course that's what's going on. Doma- Of course that’s what’s going on.

]]> By: domajot http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-107986 domajot Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:47:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-107986 I generally detest commentary that involves mind-reading. This time, I can't help it, and I'll indulge in some of my own, on a purely hyhothetical basis. President Bush's new found love affair with the veto pen sprang up extemely apruptly, with the new Congressional party compostion. The Republicans are out peddling the line about the Democratic Congress not getting anything done. That's the line used by Rove, on Charlie Rose, BTW. Could there be a connection? Would our President stoop to political games? HMMM. I generally detest commentary that involves mind-reading. This time, I can’t help it, and I’ll indulge in some of my own, on a purely hyhothetical basis.

President Bush’s new found love affair with the veto pen sprang up extemely apruptly, with the new Congressional party compostion.
The Republicans are out peddling the line about the Democratic Congress not getting anything done. That’s the line used by Rove, on Charlie Rose, BTW.

Could there be a connection?
Would our President stoop to political games?

HMMM.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-107959 DLS Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:44:25 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-107959 <blockquote>He is partisan through and through</blockquote> In this case, he is ideological more than partisan, though he may be trying to boost his party's image with the public (and I doubt that will be achieved). Note that, <a href="http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=375" rel="nofollow">from an earlier Pew report</a>, <blockquote>Despite the strong approval ratings for Bush among Republican voters in Iowa and South Carolina, however, there is a widespread desire for a candidate who will take the country in a different direction rather than one who will continue Bush's policies[.] <strong>Majorities of Republican voters in each of those states – as well as 60% of likely Republican voters nationally – say they prefer a Republican presidential candidate who will take the country in a different direction.</strong> </blockquote> and <blockquote> Likely Republican voters overwhelmingly favor a smaller government providing fewer services to a bigger government providing more extensive services. Despite this widely shared view, <strong>sizable minorities of GOP voters in South Carolina and New Hampshire, and Republican voters nationally, say they favor the government guaranteeing universal health insurance even if it means raising taxes</strong>. Nationally, about six-in-ten Republican voters (58%) oppose a government guarantee of health insurance, while <strong>39% favor universal health coverage, even if it means higher taxes</strong>.</blockquote> (emphases mine) which not only is good news for the Democrats but for those who wish to see (federal) government provision of health care to more people in this country. The Dems can easily afford to wait, even accusing the GOP in Congress of "being harmfully destructive" to the two S-CHIP efforts as well as Bush, and promising "real reform" once they are in office (exploit this in the campaign since the issue is a big winner politically).

He is partisan through and through

In this case, he is ideological more than partisan, though he may be trying to boost his party’s image with the public (and I doubt that will be achieved).

Note that, from an earlier Pew report,

Despite the strong approval ratings for Bush among Republican voters in Iowa and South Carolina, however, there is a widespread desire for a candidate who will take the country in a different direction rather than one who will continue Bush’s policies[.] Majorities of Republican voters in each of those states – as well as 60% of likely Republican voters nationally – say they prefer a Republican presidential candidate who will take the country in a different direction.

and

Likely Republican voters overwhelmingly favor a smaller government providing fewer services to a bigger government providing more extensive services. Despite this widely shared view, sizable minorities of GOP voters in South Carolina and New Hampshire, and Republican voters nationally, say they favor the government guaranteeing universal health insurance even if it means raising taxes.

Nationally, about six-in-ten Republican voters (58%) oppose a government guarantee of health insurance, while 39% favor universal health coverage, even if it means higher taxes.

(emphases mine)

which not only is good news for the Democrats but for those who wish to see (federal) government provision of health care to more people in this country. The Dems can easily afford to wait, even accusing the GOP in Congress of “being harmfully destructive” to the two S-CHIP efforts as well as Bush, and promising “real reform” once they are in office (exploit this in the campaign since the issue is a big winner politically).

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-107958 DLS Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:37:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-107958 <blockquote>If it was such a bad bill it wouldn’t have had so much bi-partisan support</blockquote>. Congressional Republicans are often happy to sign off on big spending the Dems want so they can get what they want. Obviously the GOP in Congress are okay with the defects in the bill, which was actually watered down from what the Democrats have been seeking. At this point the Dems (who are behind this) need to either respond with a clean, lean bill or just wait for Hillary Clinton to demand much, much more.

If it was such a bad bill it wouldn’t have had so much bi-partisan support

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Congressional Republicans are often happy to sign off on big spending the Dems want so they can get what they want. Obviously the GOP in Congress are okay with the defects in the bill, which was actually watered down from what the Democrats have been seeking.

At this point the Dems (who are behind this) need to either respond with a clean, lean bill or just wait for Hillary Clinton to demand much, much more.

]]> By: kritt http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-107950 kritt Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:03:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-107950 If it was such a bad bill it wouldn't have had so much bi-partisan support. The president has long indicated that he is incapable of compromise, and after 6 years of amiably accepting pork-laden bills , with not a single veto, has finally come to the conclusion that he should act like a fiscal conservative. He is partisan through and through as he proved by allowing Rove to manipulate Gonzales at the Justice Dept and by allowing Lurita Doans to ask non-political employees to support "our candidates". If it was such a bad bill it wouldn’t have had so much bi-partisan support. The president has long indicated that he is incapable of compromise, and after 6 years of amiably accepting pork-laden bills , with not a single veto, has finally come to the conclusion that he should act like a fiscal conservative. He is partisan through and through as he proved by allowing Rove to manipulate Gonzales at the Justice Dept and by allowing Lurita Doans to ask non-political employees to support “our candidates”.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-107945 DLS Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:21:49 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-107945 [sigh] Y'all require correction -- of the facts, here; I will not bother to try to correct deficient behavior. This bill was little different than the other, a bad bill that was known from its inception that it would deservedly draw a veto. Next time, the Congressional Democrats should do it right, or shut up (along with their camp followers) and await some effort by President Clinton to openly and honestly (well, we must wait to see that, given who we're talking about) expand public health care provision to adults and replace privately-paid insurance with the publicly-subsidized or paid equivalent, rather than try and fail to sneak this through while claiming dishonestly that the bill is all about poor children. [sigh]

Y’all require correction — of the facts, here; I will not bother to try to correct deficient behavior.

This bill was little different than the other, a bad bill that was known from its inception that it would deservedly draw a veto.

Next time, the Congressional Democrats should do it right, or shut up (along with their camp followers) and await some effort by President Clinton to openly and honestly (well, we must wait to see that, given who we’re talking about) expand public health care provision to adults and replace privately-paid insurance with the publicly-subsidized or paid equivalent, rather than try and fail to sneak this through while claiming dishonestly that the bill is all about poor children.

]]> By: George Sorwell http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-107937 George Sorwell Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:11:15 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-107937 But because the President vetoed it, he wins. Doesn't everybody see what a winner the President is? But because the President vetoed it, he wins.

Doesn’t everybody see what a winner the President is?

]]> By: JSpencer http://themoderatevoice.com/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/comment-page-1/#comment-107936 JSpencer Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:55:02 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/society/children/16492/s-chip-goes-down-the-tubes-again/#comment-107936 This little sham of a leader can't seem to throw enough hundreds of Billions of what are essentially borrowed dollars at an unnecessary war, yet the request for a paltry 10 million to improve our own childrens health drives him to his veto pen. Amazing, absolutely amazing. This little sham of a leader can’t seem to throw enough hundreds of Billions of what are essentially borrowed dollars at an unnecessary war, yet the request for a paltry 10 million to improve our own childrens health drives him to his veto pen. Amazing, absolutely amazing.

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