I made the mistake of breaking my rule and trying to have a real exhange of ideas.
Well, no good deed goes unpunihed.

Rnat on.

Make room for Hank Asher in the Rudy Giuliani rogues gallery.

He looks like Paul Krugman. Probably less partisan and more honest, though.

You are the only one who brought up Bush, and then you rant about it. You seem to be having an argument with yourself.

I’m not; it’s — regrettable — if it seems that way to you. Linking Giuliani to Bush (or for that matter, to Cheney or to Karl Rove) to tarnish him electorally as a campaign tactic is not, or shouldn’t be, surprising, much less cryptic. (It is neither.)

Similarly, Bush would get a lot more credit if he didn’t invest so heavily in hyping the good news coming his way, so out of all proportion.as to become ridiculous.

Maybe he’s desperate. He’d like to finish on the good side (represented by a fifty per cent approval rating, or better, rating of his presidency overall, which I doubt he can achieve), probably, as well as end okay to soften the harder edges of his legacy. Have you thought about it rather than simply been offended by it or rejected it almost autonomically? (Bush? Reject!)

You are the only one who brought up Bush, and then you rant about it. You seem to be having an argument with yourself.

I live in NYC, was here on 9/11, and new about Giuliani long before I knew about Bush Jr.

What Rudi did in the days following 9/11 was to attend funeral after funeral, for which he got ample credit. Attending funerals does not make the coutnry safer, however. He would still get more credit for his leadership and spirit, if he didn’t insist of hyping his role way out of proportion.

Similarly, Bush would get a lot more credit if he didn’t invest so heavily in hyping the good news coming his way, so out of all proportion.as to become ridiculous.

Credibility has to be earned and nurtured.
It’s a fine art tone deaf ranters and self-promoters can’t seem to master.

Americans who don’t hate Bush are tiring of him and if the press could uncover a serious link between Giuliani and Bush, any Democrat would have an immediate boost, especially if Dem campaigns used such a link to claim the Dems offer “change.”

Oh, well, just remember 9/11 and how Rudi saved America.

I remember it well, particularly when he was so lauded by liberals as a way of criticizing Bush. “Where was Bush? Bush ran and hid. Rudy Giuliani was positively Churchillian in his actions and words…” This is an actual example from a liberal (somewhat radical) who commented about 9-11 online during a discussion elsewhere (not on this site) at that time.

Aside from that hypocrisy (Giuliani wears a black hat now that he’s running as a Republican and pretending to be more conservative, and is running against likely Democratic White House winners for 2008), it’s actually pathetic: His celebrity status is the basis of his campaign, and he actually has to thank bin Laden for it, when you think about it!

9/11 and how Rudi saved America

That is 98% or more of his campaign, right there.

“America’s mayor” — ugh. Old central cities are not where most Americans live and they are as removed from the contemporary American culture and lifestyle as are rural Iowa and New Hampshire. The position of mayor means nothing any more except to some Democrats and urban activists and those who still reside in old central cities.

Yuck.

Romney is little more than an equally formerly liberal, Massachuetts-based (instant DQ there insofar as real Americans are concerned) suddenly-reformed “die-hard, rock-ribbed conservative” [sic], just with a cleaner history and a nicer face and smile than Giuliani.

Yuck.

These are the two leading GOP candidates.

Continue to get used to it: “President Clinton.”

At least Huckabee has honest and has stated one thing he had to do in Arkansas is work around a lot of (and therefore, compromise with), Democrats.

Why have neither of the leaders simply and honestly said this, along with noting the culture in the far Northeast that is well to the left of the US mainstream and thus requires more liberal actions?