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	<title>Comments on: Hillary Clinton&#8217;s Hostage Ordeal: Lemon To Lemonade?</title>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16329/hillary-clintons-hostage-ordeal-lemon-to-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-106796</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from a general appeal to so many liberals who are governed by their feelings, and to those who want Mommy to assure them she cares, it is an appeal to women and particularly to mothers.

Sad to say for our citizenry and our country, it will likely appeal to many.  She knows what she&#039;s doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from a general appeal to so many liberals who are governed by their feelings, and to those who want Mommy to assure them she cares, it is an appeal to women and particularly to mothers.</p>
<p>Sad to say for our citizenry and our country, it will likely appeal to many.  She knows what she&#8217;s doing.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16329/hillary-clintons-hostage-ordeal-lemon-to-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-106795</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Is that what you want in a President? Someone who feels extra confusion because she’s a mother? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s what so many voters and citizens want, for their government and the leadership in their government to be their parent.  Along with buying votes, entitlements engender dependency.  Thanks, FDR and LBJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Is that what you want in a President? Someone who feels extra confusion because she’s a mother? </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s what so many voters and citizens want, for their government and the leadership in their government to be their parent.  Along with buying votes, entitlements engender dependency.  Thanks, FDR and LBJ.</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16329/hillary-clintons-hostage-ordeal-lemon-to-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-106761</link>
		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 03:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with domajot-Hillary isn&#039;t getting any passes, let alone passes on &quot;practically everything&quot;.  

And Althouse also made me laugh (as usual).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with domajot-Hillary isn&#8217;t getting any passes, let alone passes on &#8220;practically everything&#8221;.  </p>
<p>And Althouse also made me laugh (as usual).</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16329/hillary-clintons-hostage-ordeal-lemon-to-lemonade/comment-page-1/#comment-106740</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;she’s being given a pass on, well, practically everything.&quot;

A pass?  By whom?  Not much giving  of passes that I see.

On the contrary, while never having been a Hillary fan, the ridiculous lengths that critics go to in order criticize her are forcing many undecideds like myself into her camp as a protest.
If she laugts, that hdes evil intent.
If she is serious, then that&#039;s the sign of some other evil intent.

The attack for the the sake of attacking is so repellent, that if it continues, that might be the very thing that pushes her to victory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;she’s being given a pass on, well, practically everything.&#8221;</p>
<p>A pass?  By whom?  Not much giving  of passes that I see.</p>
<p>On the contrary, while never having been a Hillary fan, the ridiculous lengths that critics go to in order criticize her are forcing many undecideds like myself into her camp as a protest.<br />
If she laugts, that hdes evil intent.<br />
If she is serious, then that&#8217;s the sign of some other evil intent.</p>
<p>The attack for the the sake of attacking is so repellent, that if it continues, that might be the very thing that pushes her to victory.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Her choice of wardrobe at the press conference is due for scrutiny at any moment.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, I&#039;ve been surprised that hasn&#039;t received more attention to date.  I&#039;ve always felt it would doom her candidacy.  It may yet.

One of my commenters suggested that she&#039;s so iconic for a segment of Baby Boomer women that she&#039;s being given a pass on, well, practically everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Her choice of wardrobe at the press conference is due for scrutiny at any moment.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve been surprised that hasn&#8217;t received more attention to date.  I&#8217;ve always felt it would doom her candidacy.  It may yet.</p>
<p>One of my commenters suggested that she&#8217;s so iconic for a segment of Baby Boomer women that she&#8217;s being given a pass on, well, practically everything.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave Schuler,

I agree that it&#039;s too early to tell anything when it comes to politics.
What can be seen right away, though, is the insanity of the commentary.  The Hillary bashing/praising began immediately, long  before anything was known about the hostage taker or the circumstances surrounding his actions.
Wishing the hostages a safe resolution  to their hellishr predicament was an afterthought, if it popped  up at all.

Whatever the final word is, the odds are that it will have little to do with the actual events or what Hillry&#039;s role in them was.  Her choice of wardrobe at the press conference is due for scrutiny at any moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Schuler,</p>
<p>I agree that it&#8217;s too early to tell anything when it comes to politics.<br />
What can be seen right away, though, is the insanity of the commentary.  The Hillary bashing/praising began immediately, long  before anything was known about the hostage taker or the circumstances surrounding his actions.<br />
Wishing the hostages a safe resolution  to their hellishr predicament was an afterthought, if it popped  up at all.</p>
<p>Whatever the final word is, the odds are that it will have little to do with the actual events or what Hillry&#8217;s role in them was.  Her choice of wardrobe at the press conference is due for scrutiny at any moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s too early to tell.  While the candidate and/or the campaign can influence the initial reaction, he, she, or they  don&#039;t determine the final reaction.  That&#039;s determined by the professional press and the amateur press of the blogosphere.

There are lots ways in which the bottle could spin.  It could end up as another confirmation of Sen. Clinton&#039;s strength and determination or it could end up as a frantic attempt to grab the spotlight when it&#039;s pointed some other way or any of a dozen other interpretations.  Too early to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s too early to tell.  While the candidate and/or the campaign can influence the initial reaction, he, she, or they  don&#8217;t determine the final reaction.  That&#8217;s determined by the professional press and the amateur press of the blogosphere.</p>
<p>There are lots ways in which the bottle could spin.  It could end up as another confirmation of Sen. Clinton&#8217;s strength and determination or it could end up as a frantic attempt to grab the spotlight when it&#8217;s pointed some other way or any of a dozen other interpretations.  Too early to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not much of a Hillary fan, but she handled the situation how I would have wanted her too:  she didn&#039;t need to do anything heroic, she listened to the advice of the &quot;experts&quot; (the law enforcement officials handing the situation) and (form what I can tell) she took their advice, she cancelled meetings to attend to the situation (rather fly off on some plane to hide) and she talked about her emotions.  &lt;em&gt;She was present and accounted for. &lt;/em&gt; I don&#039;t know about you, but I&#039;m tired of the swaggering cowboy President types who say, &quot;Bring &#039;em on!&quot; while hiding behind what is the largest security force on Earth guarding him, all the while sending more and more troops to be killed in a senseless war that he choose to start in the first place.

So even though I&#039;m not a Hillary fan, kudos for her actions and showing that one can be in charge while talking about feeling vulnerable.  

It would be great to have a President who connects to the public and Hillary, by talking about her conflicting emotions (some of which were similar to our own as we watched situation unfold and hoped for peaceful outcome) was able to do this.  And she remained in control the whole time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not much of a Hillary fan, but she handled the situation how I would have wanted her too:  she didn&#8217;t need to do anything heroic, she listened to the advice of the &#8220;experts&#8221; (the law enforcement officials handing the situation) and (form what I can tell) she took their advice, she cancelled meetings to attend to the situation (rather fly off on some plane to hide) and she talked about her emotions.  <em>She was present and accounted for. </em> I don&#8217;t know about you, but I&#8217;m tired of the swaggering cowboy President types who say, &#8220;Bring &#8216;em on!&#8221; while hiding behind what is the largest security force on Earth guarding him, all the while sending more and more troops to be killed in a senseless war that he choose to start in the first place.</p>
<p>So even though I&#8217;m not a Hillary fan, kudos for her actions and showing that one can be in charge while talking about feeling vulnerable.  </p>
<p>It would be great to have a President who connects to the public and Hillary, by talking about her conflicting emotions (some of which were similar to our own as we watched situation unfold and hoped for peaceful outcome) was able to do this.  And she remained in control the whole time.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is that what you want in a President? Someone who feels extra confusion because she’s a mother? &quot;

In a word, yes.
I want a president who can accept the human emotions evoked by a crisis for what they are. 
Such a person is much less likely to go off half-cocked and react unreasonbly than one who stoically denies emotion.  The latter is much more likey to act on the basis of emotion, because he will be unaware he is doing so.

By all accounts, Clinton reacted professionally and competently.  And that&#039;s what counts.  We could have used more of that during the more memorable
crisis in recent years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is that what you want in a President? Someone who feels extra confusion because she’s a mother? &#8221;</p>
<p>In a word, yes.<br />
I want a president who can accept the human emotions evoked by a crisis for what they are.<br />
Such a person is much less likely to go off half-cocked and react unreasonbly than one who stoically denies emotion.  The latter is much more likey to act on the basis of emotion, because he will be unaware he is doing so.</p>
<p>By all accounts, Clinton reacted professionally and competently.  And that&#8217;s what counts.  We could have used more of that during the more memorable<br />
crisis in recent years.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Alehouse reaction made me laugh.

Should  Clinton not have  made those phone calls instead  of going  on a vacation?
Should she have hopped a jet to view the scene from the air?
Should she have refused to appear on camera so as not to take advantage of the situation?
So, what was the right thing to do, Annie?

To be fair, there was nothing heroic about Clinton&#039;s actions.  She did what the aurhtorities recommended, and she did what was in her capacity available for her to do.
You know, like a competent person noramlly does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Alehouse reaction made me laugh.</p>
<p>Should  Clinton not have  made those phone calls instead  of going  on a vacation?<br />
Should she have hopped a jet to view the scene from the air?<br />
Should she have refused to appear on camera so as not to take advantage of the situation?<br />
So, what was the right thing to do, Annie?</p>
<p>To be fair, there was nothing heroic about Clinton&#8217;s actions.  She did what the aurhtorities recommended, and she did what was in her capacity available for her to do.<br />
You know, like a competent person noramlly does.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn&#039;t Annie Althouse get catty about Hillary&#039;s boobies. At least she didn&#039;t pose on an aircraft carrier with banners flying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t Annie Althouse get catty about Hillary&#8217;s boobies. At least she didn&#8217;t pose on an aircraft carrier with banners flying.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - White House - Hillary Clinton’s Hostage Ordeal: Lemon To Lemonade?</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - White House - Hillary Clinton’s Hostage Ordeal: Lemon To Lemonade?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mine                           Hillary Clinton’s Hostage Ordeal: Lemon To Lemonade? &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice » Domestic and international news [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Americaneocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Americaneocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;When Sabato speaks, if you want to understand what is likely to happen next, you need to listen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He&#039;s a well-known political scientist, but he&#039;s nothing to write home to mom about.

I think Althouse nails it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Did she do anything? Other than canceling her appearances — which she had to do to show decent sensitivity — she made a lot of ineffectual phone calls. For 5 hours, we&#039;re told, she &quot;continued to call up and down the law enforcement food chain, from local to county to state to federal officials.&quot; She says, &quot;I knew I was bugging a lot of these people.&quot;

Afterwards, she used the occasion to make a show of her emotions (or did you think she was cold and mechanical?). She said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;It affected me not only because they were my staff members and volunteers, but as a mother, it was just a horrible sense of bewilderment, confusion, outrage, frustration, anger, everything at the same time.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is that what you want in a President? Someone who feels extra confusion because she&#039;s a mother? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The link to Althouse is above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say:</p>
<blockquote><p>When Sabato speaks, if you want to understand what is likely to happen next, you need to listen.</p></blockquote>
<p>He&#8217;s a well-known political scientist, but he&#8217;s nothing to write home to mom about.</p>
<p>I think Althouse nails it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Did she do anything? Other than canceling her appearances — which she had to do to show decent sensitivity — she made a lot of ineffectual phone calls. For 5 hours, we&#8217;re told, she &#8220;continued to call up and down the law enforcement food chain, from local to county to state to federal officials.&#8221; She says, &#8220;I knew I was bugging a lot of these people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Afterwards, she used the occasion to make a show of her emotions (or did you think she was cold and mechanical?). She said:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;It affected me not only because they were my staff members and volunteers, but as a mother, it was just a horrible sense of bewilderment, confusion, outrage, frustration, anger, everything at the same time.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Is that what you want in a President? Someone who feels extra confusion because she&#8217;s a mother? </p></blockquote>
<p>The link to Althouse is above.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - Mitt Romney - Hillary Clinton’s Hostage Ordeal: Lemon To Lemonade?</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - Mitt Romney - Hillary Clinton’s Hostage Ordeal: Lemon To Lemonade?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clark                           Hillary Clinton’s Hostage Ordeal: Lemon To Lemonade? &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice » Domestic and international news [...]</description>
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