“Animal House” society that the left pines for day in and day out

Too true, too often. Standards, decency are seen as bad, wrong, evil — by a nihilist element within the post-1960s Left (not only extremely childish, but willfully destructive) and a few ignorant so-called libertarians (extremely childish). It’s enough to make decent, intelligent people actually consider harsh measures in response and outright authoritarianism, if things ever got truly bad.

I forget which TMV commenters was writing “THE LETTER” embracing moderate views with a full embracing of nearly every plank in the democratic platform

It’s now a new thread. Who knows, maybe your comment led the commenter to start the new thread.

“Moderate” on this site is the Urban Institute or the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, the AFL-CIO, the “non-partisan” political-position platforms of the teachers’ and other unions, etc.

Brookings is too “conservative” [sic], as is Hillary Clinton, whom some would delusionally place on the right (and anyone right of Brookings on the “far right” [sic]).

“Moderate” is never disputing any gospel of an ever-larger, ever-more-interventionist-and-intrusive federal government, with benefits for everybody, and the only exception being never interfering in any with even the most degenerate and destructive, as well as defective and improper, personal behavior.

Never mind that we who are actually moderate by normal American standards (to which elites and others out of touch with Americans, and their play-pen fans and followers elsewhere, are well to to the left) are the true moderates, even if we aren’t mushy about expressing and defending our moderate positions, particularly against bogus and disgusting “arguments.” (Slap-in-the-face is not only dealt to conservatives, but to others, most of the rest of us, by those on the Left who are reactionary about New Deal-onward growth of Washington and resentment against even the mere questioning of this, which has happened in earnest since 1980. Once Bush is gone they’ll be more revanchist than ever, I suspect.)

We now realize that it was oil we sought, not the elusive WMD’s. That is why the Democrats are opposed to the war. And please admit that 70% of the country opposes it and Bush’s handling of it. That would be a dream percentage for the Democrats- they would win every election hands down- if all of those people were registered with the party. You know very well that that figure includes many Republicans and Independents.

And I notice you object to the invectives being hurled at conservatives, but don’t seem to mind hurling different ones at liberals, lol.

followd by this:
“war has become personal for everyone and as such the Democrats/antiwar have dragged this country into the mud for the simple purpose of remaining in power”…………………..

……….you make me laugh. You just want to throw the eggs and tomatoes, and don’t like it when they’re thrown at you.
That’s an understandable human natture kind of thing, bur hardly the basis for agonizing political analyses.

Rudi is a neocon and yet he is much too socially liberal for me. He personifies the “Animal House” society that the left pines for day in and day out.

In the end if he wins the nomination he is setting the Republicans up for another Goldwater trouncing because the Republican party is in disarray, confused and suffering a huge identity crisis.

You people cannot possibly imagine how confusing it is to be a conservative right now. Everything we say is met with a shower of tomatoes and eggs. Everything we believe in is being laughed at and mocked.

When Kennedy and LBJ got us into Vietnam it was never about liberalism vs conservatism. It was about right or wrong. Moral or Immoral choices by a government.

Somehow this war has become personal for everyone and as such the Democrats/antiwar have dragged this country into the mud for the simple purpose of remaining in power. OH the Republicans have helped, urged it, encouraged the polarization and actually started the verbal war with the patriotism thing.

So in the end this will be perhaps the greatest defeat in political history. I can think of no better man to take that whooping then Rudi Guillani.

Rudi going down in a blaze of glory will most likely right the Republican ship and put them back on course for being the party of Family values, personal freedoms, Fiscal responsibility and the party that urges strong national unity instead of strong national divisiveness.

I think they are overlooking just about anything and everything to break the hold on the party that the traditional conservatives have.

Its this perpetual overlooking of values that is giving Rudi a fighting chance. How could anyone vote for the man? The answer is simple. He is not GWB and he is NOT Hillary

Everything else is moot at this point.

perfectly willing to overlook Giuliani’s transgressions

I’m certainly not — I brought Giuliani’s travel assistance plan to light here before this thread began, in case you didn’t notice.

As to others — that shows you how repellent Hillary Clinton is to so many Americans. (I don’t find her to be alarming; we have to wait to see how far left she moves after the election and the discarding of her fake “centrist-moderate” vote-sparing act — unless her media machine will try to perpetuate it.)

I don’t believe Giuliani is the “savior” alarmed non-lberals are going to be betting on.

Where are the principled conservatives? Even his claims about the shape in which he left NYC’s budget aren’t true. His fiscal conservatism, like the rest of the persona he has created, is based strictly on his say-so and is totally divorced from his past record.
Yet, he is the top candidate. I don’t get it.
Do they want to bomb some countey or other that badly? Is a war machine really their idea of the ultimate in civilization?

My only question- is how can misuse of taxpayer funds for personal business be considered legal?