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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16277/its-official-forever-war-is-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-106362</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:40:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do these guys who&#039;ve already been nailed for scamming the gov&#039;t get more contracts?  Why aren&#039;t the politicians that back such an obviously crooked company nailed to the wall with steel spikes?  Isn&#039;t there some kind of trail that leads from the companies to the politicians or are there no people in a position to do something bothering to look?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do these guys who&#8217;ve already been nailed for scamming the gov&#8217;t get more contracts?  Why aren&#8217;t the politicians that back such an obviously crooked company nailed to the wall with steel spikes?  Isn&#8217;t there some kind of trail that leads from the companies to the politicians or are there no people in a position to do something bothering to look?</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16277/its-official-forever-war-is-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-106309</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS:  I know you&#039;re not kidding.  In fact you can go to Halliburton&#039;s website, www.halliburton.com (make sure you spell Halliburton with two &quot;LL&quot;s) and under Investor Relations look at their annual report.  That briefly mentions their Iranian operations, but not in any detail.  The annual report also states that Halliburton is pulling out of Iran after it fulfills it&#039;s contractual obligations.  I suppose we won&#039;t be invading Iran until Halliburton is out....  And then once we invade Halliburton will find a way to profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS:  I know you&#8217;re not kidding.  In fact you can go to Halliburton&#8217;s website, <a href="http://www.halliburton.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.halliburton.com</a> (make sure you spell Halliburton with two &#8220;LL&#8221;s) and under Investor Relations look at their annual report.  That briefly mentions their Iranian operations, but not in any detail.  The annual report also states that Halliburton is pulling out of Iran after it fulfills it&#8217;s contractual obligations.  I suppose we won&#8217;t be invading Iran until Halliburton is out&#8230;.  And then once we invade Halliburton will find a way to profit.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16277/its-official-forever-war-is-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-106249</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;big corporate supporters (Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.) of Bush “won” no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

True.  There&#039;s always US taxpayer money if Iraqi oil revenues are disrupted.  

Note, though, I believe a precedent may have been set for this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/30/world/europe/30contract.html?n=Top/News/Business/Companies/Halliburton%20Company&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in the Balkans&lt;/a&gt;, during the Clinton era. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_37/b3849012.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Balkans plus Iraq&lt;/a&gt;)

Oh, and if that&#039;s a disappointment, well:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Principal activity in Iran occurs through the operations of Halliburton Products &amp; Services, Limited, a Cayman Islands company, headquartered in Dubai, U.A.E. (hereinafter HPSL). HPSL performs between $30 and $40 million annually in oilfield service work in Iran, consisting of cementing, completions work, downhole tools and well testing, stimulation services, PDC drilling bits, coring bits, fluids logging and the provision of drilling fluids. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.halliburton.com/news/archive/2004/report.jsp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;m not kidding.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>big corporate supporters (Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.) of Bush “won” no bid contracts to rebuild Iraq. </p></blockquote>
<p>True.  There&#8217;s always US taxpayer money if Iraqi oil revenues are disrupted.  </p>
<p>Note, though, I believe a precedent may have been set for this <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/30/world/europe/30contract.html?n=Top/News/Business/Companies/Halliburton%20Company" rel="nofollow">in the Balkans</a>, during the Clinton era. (<a href="http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_37/b3849012.htm" rel="nofollow">Balkans plus Iraq</a>)</p>
<p>Oh, and if that&#8217;s a disappointment, well:</p>
<blockquote><p>Principal activity in Iran occurs through the operations of Halliburton Products &#038; Services, Limited, a Cayman Islands company, headquartered in Dubai, U.A.E. (hereinafter HPSL). HPSL performs between $30 and $40 million annually in oilfield service work in Iran, consisting of cementing, completions work, downhole tools and well testing, stimulation services, PDC drilling bits, coring bits, fluids logging and the provision of drilling fluids. </p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.halliburton.com/news/archive/2004/report.jsp" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;m not kidding.</a></p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16277/its-official-forever-war-is-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-106200</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil is only one part of the reason Bush went into Iraq.  The main reason for the war wasn&#039;t oil, but for the transfer of wealth of the government to Bush&#039;s supporters (there&#039;s that loyalty again).  Yes, oil plays a huge role in that, but oil is not the primary purpose.  

After we kicked their ass (but before they turned around and kicked ours right back), big corporate supporters (Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.) of Bush &quot;won&quot; no bid contracts to &lt;strong&gt;rebuild&lt;/strong&gt; Iraq.  Remember one of Bush&#039;s original plans was to have the oil revenues pay for rebuilding Iraq.  In this example the transfer of wealth is from the Iraqi government directly to those Bush supporters who got the no bid contracts.  The Iraqi government gets its revenues from oil.  Though I&#039;d love to know what happened to those billions of hard dollars- cash- that Bremer gave to the Iraqi govt. which was promptly &quot;misplaced&quot;.

Then as we have seen with the Blackwater scandal, there are actually more private security guards than actual US govt. soldiers.  These private security forces guard US government interests, including diplomats.  These private security officers also earn far more money than our soldiers do.  But it&#039;s the US government who pays these security firms.  And of course these security firms are Republican donors.  I always thought that the government should provide security for its own interests and not hire mercenaries.  We&#039;re actually paying mercenaries more to guard our interests in Iraq than we are paying our own soldiers to fight the enemy.

Then of course Sam is right: the cost of oil worldwide, regardless of where it came from, has increased dramatically, which just puts money directly into the energy companies coffers.  Who, we all know, are big Bush supporters.

Those are a couple examples from various industries that benefit from the huge transfer of money to keep this war going.  And of course the US taxpayer is funding the US piece of it.  It&#039;s so nice to know that when I hear Exxon making those record profits that I helped them out... It makes me feel like I&#039;ve done some good in this world.  We may not be able to feed the poor in America, but we sure can make sure our Republican donors live the style they are entitled to.  After all there are two types of Republicans, the haves and the have-mores.  Waste not on the have-nots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil is only one part of the reason Bush went into Iraq.  The main reason for the war wasn&#8217;t oil, but for the transfer of wealth of the government to Bush&#8217;s supporters (there&#8217;s that loyalty again).  Yes, oil plays a huge role in that, but oil is not the primary purpose.  </p>
<p>After we kicked their ass (but before they turned around and kicked ours right back), big corporate supporters (Halliburton, Bechtel, etc.) of Bush &#8220;won&#8221; no bid contracts to <strong>rebuild</strong> Iraq.  Remember one of Bush&#8217;s original plans was to have the oil revenues pay for rebuilding Iraq.  In this example the transfer of wealth is from the Iraqi government directly to those Bush supporters who got the no bid contracts.  The Iraqi government gets its revenues from oil.  Though I&#8217;d love to know what happened to those billions of hard dollars- cash- that Bremer gave to the Iraqi govt. which was promptly &#8220;misplaced&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then as we have seen with the Blackwater scandal, there are actually more private security guards than actual US govt. soldiers.  These private security forces guard US government interests, including diplomats.  These private security officers also earn far more money than our soldiers do.  But it&#8217;s the US government who pays these security firms.  And of course these security firms are Republican donors.  I always thought that the government should provide security for its own interests and not hire mercenaries.  We&#8217;re actually paying mercenaries more to guard our interests in Iraq than we are paying our own soldiers to fight the enemy.</p>
<p>Then of course Sam is right: the cost of oil worldwide, regardless of where it came from, has increased dramatically, which just puts money directly into the energy companies coffers.  Who, we all know, are big Bush supporters.</p>
<p>Those are a couple examples from various industries that benefit from the huge transfer of money to keep this war going.  And of course the US taxpayer is funding the US piece of it.  It&#8217;s so nice to know that when I hear Exxon making those record profits that I helped them out&#8230; It makes me feel like I&#8217;ve done some good in this world.  We may not be able to feed the poor in America, but we sure can make sure our Republican donors live the style they are entitled to.  After all there are two types of Republicans, the haves and the have-mores.  Waste not on the have-nots.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what the &quot;wingnut crowd&quot; over at the Dutch Lad will say about this. They all chimed that the US had no intentions for permanent bases in Iraq. But Billy Kristol is smiling...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the &#8220;wingnut crowd&#8221; over at the Dutch Lad will say about this. They all chimed that the US had no intentions for permanent bases in Iraq. But Billy Kristol is smiling&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16277/its-official-forever-war-is-forever/comment-page-1/#comment-106180</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...I’m also not one to overlook coincidences.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It wasn&#039;t merely coincidental, even.  This war was about oil, specifically to remove Hussein as a threat to security of Middle East oil supplies, which is a vital US-Western interest in the region.  This obviously is not &quot;imperialism&quot; [sic], nor a naked attempt to grab the oil.  (We didn&#039;t do it here and now; we didn&#039;t do it in 1973 in retaliation for the oil embargo.)  It&#039;s about security and stability (which is why the US still aids the Saudi regime).

Incidentally, Iran is a threat to its neighbors&#039; oil supplies, and yes, attacks on neighbors&#039; oil facilities (pre-emptively to make Iran&#039;s more valuable and necessary to preserve) is something it would likely do if we conducted air strikes on Iran.  Iran has already issued threats in the past that anyone in the region hosting or helping attacks on it faces attacks on its oil facilities and other oil assets.  (First and foremost on people&#039;s minds is attacks on Saudi oil facilities.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;I’m also not one to overlook coincidences.</p></blockquote>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t merely coincidental, even.  This war was about oil, specifically to remove Hussein as a threat to security of Middle East oil supplies, which is a vital US-Western interest in the region.  This obviously is not &#8220;imperialism&#8221; [sic], nor a naked attempt to grab the oil.  (We didn&#8217;t do it here and now; we didn&#8217;t do it in 1973 in retaliation for the oil embargo.)  It&#8217;s about security and stability (which is why the US still aids the Saudi regime).</p>
<p>Incidentally, Iran is a threat to its neighbors&#8217; oil supplies, and yes, attacks on neighbors&#8217; oil facilities (pre-emptively to make Iran&#8217;s more valuable and necessary to preserve) is something it would likely do if we conducted air strikes on Iran.  Iran has already issued threats in the past that anyone in the region hosting or helping attacks on it faces attacks on its oil facilities and other oil assets.  (First and foremost on people&#8217;s minds is attacks on Saudi oil facilities.)</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - George W Bush - It’s Official: Forever War Is Forever</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - George W Bush - It’s Official: Forever War Is Forever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clark                           It’s Official: Forever War Is Forever &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice » Domestic and international news [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not one to buy into conspiracy theories about this entire war being about oil.   However I&#039;m also not one to overlook coincidences.    The oil industry worldwide, even without American companies being able to access Iraq&#039;s oil reserves due to the ongoing war, has profited HUGELY from the war in Iraq.    Every barrel pumped out of the ground from Siberia to Alaska to South America is three times as valuable as it was in 2002.   

Now it looks as if the Iraqi gov&#039;t is going to flat out offer special deals to our companies in exchange for protection from the chaos we&#039;ve helped foster in Iraq.   Companies that have more than a passing connection to many in the Bush administration and stand to reap large(er) profits from the entire situation.   The picture forming just keeps getting sleazier and sleazier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not one to buy into conspiracy theories about this entire war being about oil.   However I&#8217;m also not one to overlook coincidences.    The oil industry worldwide, even without American companies being able to access Iraq&#8217;s oil reserves due to the ongoing war, has profited HUGELY from the war in Iraq.    Every barrel pumped out of the ground from Siberia to Alaska to South America is three times as valuable as it was in 2002.   </p>
<p>Now it looks as if the Iraqi gov&#8217;t is going to flat out offer special deals to our companies in exchange for protection from the chaos we&#8217;ve helped foster in Iraq.   Companies that have more than a passing connection to many in the Bush administration and stand to reap large(er) profits from the entire situation.   The picture forming just keeps getting sleazier and sleazier.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - White House - It’s Official: Forever War Is Forever</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - White House - It’s Official: Forever War Is Forever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mine                           It’s Official: Forever War Is Forever &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice » Domestic and international news [...]</description>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a problem with business deals.
I do have a problem when those who stand to profit from them are not the ones paying to make the deals possible..

Corporate welfare, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with business deals.<br />
I do have a problem when those who stand to profit from them are not the ones paying to make the deals possible..</p>
<p>Corporate welfare, indeed.</p>
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