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		<title>By: Entropy</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16140/war-on-terror-growing-desertion-in-the-us-army/comment-page-1/#comment-105351</link>
		<dc:creator>Entropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with Doma&#039;s last comment.

Oh noes!  Desertion is back up the level it was for the three years preceding OIF!  The sky is falling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with Doma&#8217;s last comment.</p>
<p>Oh noes!  Desertion is back up the level it was for the three years preceding OIF!  The sky is falling!</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi,
Yes, I read the article.
No onw is disputing the trend.
The military is concerned and reacting.

It&#039;s more a question of the degree of alarm warranted by the trend. 
Judging by comparisons to pre-war years and current overall conditions, I see it as seriously  higher than  pooh-pooh but dramatically below SOS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi,<br />
Yes, I read the article.<br />
No onw is disputing the trend.<br />
The military is concerned and reacting.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more a question of the degree of alarm warranted by the trend.<br />
Judging by comparisons to pre-war years and current overall conditions, I see it as seriously  higher than  pooh-pooh but dramatically below SOS!</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16140/war-on-terror-growing-desertion-in-the-us-army/comment-page-1/#comment-105322</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone bother to read the article at ArmyTimes. It makes some of the same points as the AP article. Is AT guilty of Librul spin?
&lt;blockquote&gt;In a likely reflection of the continued strain of multiple deployments to a 4½-year war, the number of soldiers deserting the Army skyrocketed during the past fiscal year to its highest level since 2001.

All told, 4,698 soldiers were declared deserters, according to Lt. Col. Darryl Darden of the Army’s office of the deputy chief of staff for manpower and personnel. That is a 42.3 percent increase over the previous fiscal year, and the highest annual total since fiscal year 2001, when 4,399 troops deserted.

&lt;strong&gt;More disturbingly, the pace of Army desertions appears to have increased even during fiscal 2007: 63.6 percent of the year’s 4,698 desertions were recorded from April through September, according to Army data&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Both AT and AP state the same point about a significant increase in desertions. But nobody is claiming anything near the numbers of Vietnam, just a disturbing trend. maybe this has something to do with a broken military that many former military have warned us about. 

Where is JS to moderate these...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone bother to read the article at ArmyTimes. It makes some of the same points as the AP article. Is AT guilty of Librul spin?</p>
<blockquote><p>In a likely reflection of the continued strain of multiple deployments to a 4½-year war, the number of soldiers deserting the Army skyrocketed during the past fiscal year to its highest level since 2001.</p>
<p>All told, 4,698 soldiers were declared deserters, according to Lt. Col. Darryl Darden of the Army’s office of the deputy chief of staff for manpower and personnel. That is a 42.3 percent increase over the previous fiscal year, and the highest annual total since fiscal year 2001, when 4,399 troops deserted.</p>
<p><strong>More disturbingly, the pace of Army desertions appears to have increased even during fiscal 2007: 63.6 percent of the year’s 4,698 desertions were recorded from April through September, according to Army data</strong>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Both AT and AP state the same point about a significant increase in desertions. But nobody is claiming anything near the numbers of Vietnam, just a disturbing trend. maybe this has something to do with a broken military that many former military have warned us about. </p>
<p>Where is JS to moderate these&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Certainly the Army is cognizant of what’s going on &quot;

That, I would say, goes in the &#039;good news&#039; category.
They do appear to be reacting pro-actively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Certainly the Army is cognizant of what’s going on &#8221;</p>
<p>That, I would say, goes in the &#8216;good news&#8217; category.<br />
They do appear to be reacting pro-actively.</p>
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		<title>By: Entropy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes doma, the rate has been rising since 2003.  It&#039;s now at the level (or slightly above) it was in 2000-2002.

You know how this is going to be played on the lefty blogs, don&#039;t you? The simple fact is that the article fails to mention that comparable rates existed before the war when the Army wasn&#039;t deployed nearly as much. As a result, I&#039;m simply suggesting that perhaps the desertion rate we&#039;re seeing today isn&#039;t unusually high historically and is not cause for hyperventilation. 

Frankly, I&#039;m quite surprised the rate isn&#039;t much higher considering the strain on our Army.  Maybe the upward trend will continue and maybe it won&#039;t.  Certainly the Army is cognizant of what&#039;s going on and will monitor and take measures to keep desertion rates low - after all, high desertion rates negatively affect the morale, discipline and cohesion of armed forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes doma, the rate has been rising since 2003.  It&#8217;s now at the level (or slightly above) it was in 2000-2002.</p>
<p>You know how this is going to be played on the lefty blogs, don&#8217;t you? The simple fact is that the article fails to mention that comparable rates existed before the war when the Army wasn&#8217;t deployed nearly as much. As a result, I&#8217;m simply suggesting that perhaps the desertion rate we&#8217;re seeing today isn&#8217;t unusually high historically and is not cause for hyperventilation. </p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m quite surprised the rate isn&#8217;t much higher considering the strain on our Army.  Maybe the upward trend will continue and maybe it won&#8217;t.  Certainly the Army is cognizant of what&#8217;s going on and will monitor and take measures to keep desertion rates low &#8211; after all, high desertion rates negatively affect the morale, discipline and cohesion of armed forces.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desertion rates are rising
That&#039;s an important consideration, in light of the stretched thin state of the military.

If the AP story hyped this trend, then the de-bunkers are leaning too far backwards in the opposite direction.

Obviously the military is concerned or it would not be engaged in measures to change the minds of the errant sheep.  It&#039;s a concern, here and now, in today&#039;s circumstances. 

Comparisons to other years serve to put the trend into better perspective, but they don&#039;t negate the concern as it applies to the here and now.

The Viet Nam war, BTW, can not be standard by which we should assess when it&#039;s time to start worrying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desertion rates are rising<br />
That&#8217;s an important consideration, in light of the stretched thin state of the military.</p>
<p>If the AP story hyped this trend, then the de-bunkers are leaning too far backwards in the opposite direction.</p>
<p>Obviously the military is concerned or it would not be engaged in measures to change the minds of the errant sheep.  It&#8217;s a concern, here and now, in today&#8217;s circumstances. </p>
<p>Comparisons to other years serve to put the trend into better perspective, but they don&#8217;t negate the concern as it applies to the here and now.</p>
<p>The Viet Nam war, BTW, can not be standard by which we should assess when it&#8217;s time to start worrying.</p>
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		<title>By: Bones_708</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bones_708</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I found the article, I just think that if you are going to do a clip job you should link the original, and again the numbers don&#039;t really agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I found the article, I just think that if you are going to do a clip job you should link the original, and again the numbers don&#8217;t really agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Entropy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 17:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a quick google search &lt;a href=&quot;http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/desertionrates.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;brought up this&lt;/a&gt;, and several supporting articles, which indicate the Army desertion rate per 1000 was well over 9 in 2001 and 2002 and was above 8 in 2000.  If these and the AP numbers are correct then it seems the current desertion rate is equivalent to  the three years preceding the Iraq war and is nothing compared to Vietnam (about 55 per 1000), or Korea (22 per 1000).  I think that might result in different conclusions than the what the AP and so many clone articles postulate.

I don&#039;t like to tell bloggers how to do their jobs, but I found these numbers and &lt;a href=&quot;http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/7/120646.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;additonal supporting information&lt;/a&gt; in about 15 seconds.  I would therefore humbly suggest that a modicum of fact-checking might take place before posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a quick google search <a href="http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/desertionrates.htm" rel="nofollow">brought up this</a>, and several supporting articles, which indicate the Army desertion rate per 1000 was well over 9 in 2001 and 2002 and was above 8 in 2000.  If these and the AP numbers are correct then it seems the current desertion rate is equivalent to  the three years preceding the Iraq war and is nothing compared to Vietnam (about 55 per 1000), or Korea (22 per 1000).  I think that might result in different conclusions than the what the AP and so many clone articles postulate.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like to tell bloggers how to do their jobs, but I found these numbers and <a href="http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/7/120646.shtml" rel="nofollow">additonal supporting information</a> in about 15 seconds.  I would therefore humbly suggest that a modicum of fact-checking might take place before posting.</p>
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		<title>By: Swaraaj Chauhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swaraaj Chauhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bones_708... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/17/america/NA-GEN-US-Military-Deserters.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Please click here&lt;/a&gt; to clear your confusion. This a major Associated Press story quoted by all leading newspapers in the world... Not my figures but AP figures...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bones_708&#8230; <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/17/america/NA-GEN-US-Military-Deserters.php" rel="nofollow">Please click here</a> to clear your confusion. This a major Associated Press story quoted by all leading newspapers in the world&#8230; Not my figures but AP figures&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bones_708</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bones_708</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are just going to clip and paste how about linking the original article? It seems clear some of those numbers are wrong and I would like to see if that is you or them. The number of army desertions in 2001 were 4,597, or just 101 different from the numbers of a peacetime army. That some solders are growing tired and becoming disheartened is obvious and should be expected. However the rash of blog postings and articles calling this &quot;proof&quot; of whatever they can twist it to fit is disingenuous and dishonest. With a hirer  level and longer deployments you would of course get greater numbers of deserters which in and of itself proves squat all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are just going to clip and paste how about linking the original article? It seems clear some of those numbers are wrong and I would like to see if that is you or them. The number of army desertions in 2001 were 4,597, or just 101 different from the numbers of a peacetime army. That some solders are growing tired and becoming disheartened is obvious and should be expected. However the rash of blog postings and articles calling this &#8220;proof&#8221; of whatever they can twist it to fit is disingenuous and dishonest. With a hirer  level and longer deployments you would of course get greater numbers of deserters which in and of itself proves squat all.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - Iraq - “War-on-Terror”: Growing Desertion in the US Army</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - Iraq - “War-on-Terror”: Growing Desertion in the US Army</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] House                           “War-on-Terror”: Growing Desertion in the US Army &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice » Domestic and international news [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] House                           “War-on-Terror”: Growing Desertion in the US Army &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice » Domestic and international news [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 04:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a link to Baldor&#039;s article.
http://www.kentucky.com/522/story/232658.html
Here&#039;s another perspective at ArmyTimes.
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/11/military_desertions_071115w/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a link to Baldor&#8217;s article.<br />
<a href="http://www.kentucky.com/522/story/232658.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kentucky.com/522/story/232658.html</a><br />
Here&#8217;s another perspective at ArmyTimes.<br />
<a href="http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/11/military_desertions_071115w/" rel="nofollow">http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/11/military_desertions_071115w/</a></p>
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