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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16109/the-image-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-105115</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 02:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly, point(s) noted and taken, even if you may be selective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly, point(s) noted and taken, even if you may be selective.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16109/the-image-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-105090</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly-
It might help if you clarified why it&#039;s okay to use terms like &#039;crazy&#039; and &#039;wacko&#039; but not okay to point out that insults are offensive.

I will employ my own solution, i.e. I will ignore those who discuss the topic using terms like that.
But for reference, it would be nice to know why derogatory terminology is acceptable but a response to it is not..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly-<br />
It might help if you clarified why it&#8217;s okay to use terms like &#8216;crazy&#8217; and &#8216;wacko&#8217; but not okay to point out that insults are offensive.</p>
<p>I will employ my own solution, i.e. I will ignore those who discuss the topic using terms like that.<br />
But for reference, it would be nice to know why derogatory terminology is acceptable but a response to it is not..</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16109/the-image-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-105087</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS-
I see exactly what kind of peson you are and will not make the mistake of responding to your comments again.
It&#039;s easier to just scroll past.

I made the mistake of beginning to feel bad about ignoring you for so long.  I seldom make the same mistake twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS-<br />
I see exactly what kind of peson you are and will not make the mistake of responding to your comments again.<br />
It&#8217;s easier to just scroll past.</p>
<p>I made the mistake of beginning to feel bad about ignoring you for so long.  I seldom make the same mistake twice.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16109/the-image-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-105083</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;degrades debate&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am not obliged to be kind toward degenerate and dishonest behavior and statements.  (I also am not reluctant to engage in spirited defense.)  I am quite kind in that I let most idiocy I see slip by these days without comment (admonition).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>degrades debate</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not obliged to be kind toward degenerate and dishonest behavior and statements.  (I also am not reluctant to engage in spirited defense.)  I am quite kind in that I let most idiocy I see slip by these days without comment (admonition).</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it is hardly the same as it was sixty years ago, &quot;

yes, but the legacy is still at work as is racism.
Having token figure heads like Colin Power does not come anywhere near assessing the situration a it is for average people.

Since I disagree with you, then by your standars, I&#039;m at liberty to back up my own &#039;facts&#039; with a few juicy insults of my own.

I choose not to do that, because it degrades debate.
That is the point you continually miss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it is hardly the same as it was sixty years ago, &#8221;</p>
<p>yes, but the legacy is still at work as is racism.<br />
Having token figure heads like Colin Power does not come anywhere near assessing the situration a it is for average people.</p>
<p>Since I disagree with you, then by your standars, I&#8217;m at liberty to back up my own &#8216;facts&#8217; with a few juicy insults of my own.</p>
<p>I choose not to do that, because it degrades debate.<br />
That is the point you continually miss.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16109/the-image-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-105072</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can continue your phony high-mindedness and fake dismissals all you want, D., but facts are facts.  

This nation is not systematically racist, it is hardly the same as it was sixty years ago, and there is no normality in the desire to vote for a minority (or for a woman) for President simply for that reason, much less that such a choice is &quot;necessary&quot; [sic].

Legions of us were ready to make Colin Powell our next President after the elder Bush, and we&#039;d vote for him today if he were to run.  It is based on merit, not on political correctness and reverse racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can continue your phony high-mindedness and fake dismissals all you want, D., but facts are facts.  </p>
<p>This nation is not systematically racist, it is hardly the same as it was sixty years ago, and there is no normality in the desire to vote for a minority (or for a woman) for President simply for that reason, much less that such a choice is &#8220;necessary&#8221; [sic].</p>
<p>Legions of us were ready to make Colin Powell our next President after the elder Bush, and we&#8217;d vote for him today if he were to run.  It is based on merit, not on political correctness and reverse racism.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dtatement like this:
&quot;Crazy is the most likely exxplanation if the desire for PC &quot;  brings the discussion fown to name calling and disquealifies the author from serious consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dtatement like this:<br />
&#8220;Crazy is the most likely exxplanation if the desire for PC &#8221;  brings the discussion fown to name calling and disquealifies the author from serious consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16109/the-image-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-105063</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Obama vs Richardson because itâ€™s black vs Latino?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes -- reverse racism, PC and quota craziness.

Anybody who thinks things haven&#039;t changed since 1947 is crazy or in a state of arrested, not merely retarded, development.  Crazy is the most likely exxplanation if the desire for PC Presidential selection is visceral in nature.

Why not simply write the quotas into the Constitution?  Men and women would alternate each term in the Presidency, and a list of minorities would drawn up and set with whites in a sequence or rotation order for each term, because random selection would be seen as unfair to minorities if a white candidate was chosen and equality would be needed to boost the presence of minorities above their actual fraction or proportion of the American population.

The foregoing is not a serious proposal because it is unmerited and is downright wrong, but it is where the reverse-racist craziness points.  *sigh*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Obama vs Richardson because itâ€™s black vs Latino?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes &#8212; reverse racism, PC and quota craziness.</p>
<p>Anybody who thinks things haven&#8217;t changed since 1947 is crazy or in a state of arrested, not merely retarded, development.  Crazy is the most likely exxplanation if the desire for PC Presidential selection is visceral in nature.</p>
<p>Why not simply write the quotas into the Constitution?  Men and women would alternate each term in the Presidency, and a list of minorities would drawn up and set with whites in a sequence or rotation order for each term, because random selection would be seen as unfair to minorities if a white candidate was chosen and equality would be needed to boost the presence of minorities above their actual fraction or proportion of the American population.</p>
<p>The foregoing is not a serious proposal because it is unmerited and is downright wrong, but it is where the reverse-racist craziness points.  *sigh*</p>
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		<title>By: David Schraub</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16109/the-image-factor/comment-page-1/#comment-105054</link>
		<dc:creator>David Schraub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, you raise a valid point, but I don&#039;t think Richardson ultimately will be as beneficial on that front for very superficial reasons. 1) He looks White and 2) he&#039;s named &quot;Bill Richardson&quot;. If he had darker skin and/or was named something like &quot;Jose Ricardo&quot;, then the effect would be comparable.

This isn&#039;t to say that Richardson won&#039;t be able to turn out the Latino vote here -- or even that he might not have a salutary effect on our relationships with Latin America, but I don&#039;t think he&#039;s the same &lt;i&gt;visceral&lt;/i&gt; proof of America&#039;s diversity as Obama is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, you raise a valid point, but I don&#8217;t think Richardson ultimately will be as beneficial on that front for very superficial reasons. 1) He looks White and 2) he&#8217;s named &#8220;Bill Richardson&#8221;. If he had darker skin and/or was named something like &#8220;Jose Ricardo&#8221;, then the effect would be comparable.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say that Richardson won&#8217;t be able to turn out the Latino vote here &#8212; or even that he might not have a salutary effect on our relationships with Latin America, but I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s the same <i>visceral</i> proof of America&#8217;s diversity as Obama is.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama vs Richardson because it&#039;s black vs Latino?

I shrink from that manner of thinking.
Should Hillary be the favorite just because she would represent women, a sizable proportion of the population not previously represented in the executive?

Looking at the substance under the pirctures of these people should still matter.

From the interviews I&#039;ve seen, of Obama, he is the one who has the presence of a statesman rather  than a politician.
That matters a whole lot, when it comes to regaining our status on the international scene.
In turn, our status internationally matters when it comes to resolving many of our internal conflicts.

That statesmanlike persona would be welcome at the President&#039;s podium for any number of internal reasons, as well.  It might inspire some of us to rise to his example as we debate everything under the sun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama vs Richardson because it&#8217;s black vs Latino?</p>
<p>I shrink from that manner of thinking.<br />
Should Hillary be the favorite just because she would represent women, a sizable proportion of the population not previously represented in the executive?</p>
<p>Looking at the substance under the pirctures of these people should still matter.</p>
<p>From the interviews I&#8217;ve seen, of Obama, he is the one who has the presence of a statesman rather  than a politician.<br />
That matters a whole lot, when it comes to regaining our status on the international scene.<br />
In turn, our status internationally matters when it comes to resolving many of our internal conflicts.</p>
<p>That statesmanlike persona would be welcome at the President&#8217;s podium for any number of internal reasons, as well.  It might inspire some of us to rise to his example as we debate everything under the sun.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You raise an interesting point.  But I would argue that Bill Richardson is equally qualified on this front.  Like Obama, he is half caucasian.  Unlike Obama, he is half Latino.  And considering that the Latino population in American is steadily growing and has already surpassed the African-American population, it could be argued that Richardson&#039;s minority status is more applicable to this purpose.  Especially when you consider how Latin American immigrants are ostracized and criticized in this country.  Most of us don&#039;t want to call it racism, but when we systematically discount the contributions of a certain group of people and paint them all with the broad brush of general illegality simply because they are different, well, I don&#039;t know what other term you could apply to it.

So if your purpose is to somehow mend race relations and promote the diversity of America around the world, Obama is not the only choice.  In my opinion, Richardson is the better option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You raise an interesting point.  But I would argue that Bill Richardson is equally qualified on this front.  Like Obama, he is half caucasian.  Unlike Obama, he is half Latino.  And considering that the Latino population in American is steadily growing and has already surpassed the African-American population, it could be argued that Richardson&#8217;s minority status is more applicable to this purpose.  Especially when you consider how Latin American immigrants are ostracized and criticized in this country.  Most of us don&#8217;t want to call it racism, but when we systematically discount the contributions of a certain group of people and paint them all with the broad brush of general illegality simply because they are different, well, I don&#8217;t know what other term you could apply to it.</p>
<p>So if your purpose is to somehow mend race relations and promote the diversity of America around the world, Obama is not the only choice.  In my opinion, Richardson is the better option.</p>
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		<dc:creator>2008 Presidential Election &#187; The Image Factor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Moderate Voice &#194;&#187; Domestic and international news analysis, irreverent comments, ori... placed an observative post today on The Image FactorHere&#8217;s a quick excerpt [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Democrats @ 2008 Presidential Election &#187; The Image Factor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Moderate Voice &Acirc;&raquo; Domestic and international news analysis, irreverent comments, ori&#8230; put an intriguing blog post on The Image FactorHere&#8217;s a quick excerpt [...]</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - Barack Obama - The Image Factor</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - Barack Obama - The Image Factor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clark                           The Image Factor &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice Â» Domestic and international news [...]</description>
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