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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104832</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha!  Save money!  Re-define a disorder arising from wartime experience as a

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0820/p09s02-coop.html?&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pre-existing condition&lt;/a&gt;!

Oops.  Sorry.  You&#039;re not covered by Uncle Sam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha!  Save money!  Re-define a disorder arising from wartime experience as a</p>
<p><a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0820/p09s02-coop.html?" rel="nofollow">pre-existing condition</a>!</p>
<p>Oops.  Sorry.  You&#8217;re not covered by Uncle Sam.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104748</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the schools overcharged on tuition, why were the GIs punished by cutting their education  program?

It&#039;s the same with welfare.  A story about cheating hits the headlines, and there is an uproar to discontinue the porgam. 
 What about providing oversight, instead?  
Nobody likes to see money misappropriated or wasted, so the logical thing to do would be to keep track of where the money is going and if it&#039;s being used appropriately.

By the same token, misbehavior in the business world or dubious  practices in the  awarding cotracts gets scant notice.  When it&#039;s millions disappearing, no one cares. 
When the cheats ride in chauffered limos, it&#039;s not nearly as bad as when someone manages to misppropriate a few thousand.

There is something very wrong with this picure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the schools overcharged on tuition, why were the GIs punished by cutting their education  program?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same with welfare.  A story about cheating hits the headlines, and there is an uproar to discontinue the porgam.<br />
 What about providing oversight, instead?<br />
Nobody likes to see money misappropriated or wasted, so the logical thing to do would be to keep track of where the money is going and if it&#8217;s being used appropriately.</p>
<p>By the same token, misbehavior in the business world or dubious  practices in the  awarding cotracts gets scant notice.  When it&#8217;s millions disappearing, no one cares.<br />
When the cheats ride in chauffered limos, it&#8217;s not nearly as bad as when someone manages to misppropriate a few thousand.</p>
<p>There is something very wrong with this picure.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrone Steels II</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104738</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrone Steels II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody, I could care less about anti-war talking points.  The two soldiers I know are walking around looking like they are fine.  But they are not.  They have substantial mental issues.  Both are proud that they have served but that&#039;s not enough to combat the mental problems (and how it is taking a terrible toll on their wives and children).  It&#039;s heartbreaking to watch.  It&#039;s even more heartbreaking to see them unable to work because of their mental distress.  A family friend (who served in Vietnam) told me the following and I never forgot it:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Being shot and shot at on the battlefield is nothing compared to reliving it over and over in your head man.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They need help.  As much as they need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody, I could care less about anti-war talking points.  The two soldiers I know are walking around looking like they are fine.  But they are not.  They have substantial mental issues.  Both are proud that they have served but that&#8217;s not enough to combat the mental problems (and how it is taking a terrible toll on their wives and children).  It&#8217;s heartbreaking to watch.  It&#8217;s even more heartbreaking to see them unable to work because of their mental distress.  A family friend (who served in Vietnam) told me the following and I never forgot it:</p>
<blockquote><p>Being shot and shot at on the battlefield is nothing compared to reliving it over and over in your head man.</p></blockquote>
<p>They need help.  As much as they need.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104733</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody those in the pictures will be taken care of. Our debt to those is immeasurable.

I have a cousin who milked the GI Bill after returning from Vietnam. So what if he received money for schooling(never even an Associate degree), his service  as a mechanic &quot;in country&quot; warranted something. 

But what about those with PTSD or none visible injuries. Many recieve only 25% or less for those disabilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody those in the pictures will be taken care of. Our debt to those is immeasurable.</p>
<p>I have a cousin who milked the GI Bill after returning from Vietnam. So what if he received money for schooling(never even an Associate degree), his service  as a mechanic &#8220;in country&#8221; warranted something. </p>
<p>But what about those with PTSD or none visible injuries. Many recieve only 25% or less for those disabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Somebody</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104728</link>
		<dc:creator>Somebody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The GI Bill for WWII to Vietnam allowed for education paid in full with a monthly stipend.&lt;/em&gt;

NO...It did not.  While the bill itself paid in full the WW2 vets the bill was changed when sometime before the Korean war massive fraud was uncovered as schools were overcharging for tuition.

Thus this aspect of the bill ended and it was forever changed.  Yet one must remember that this bill was for WARZONE vets only.  If you served in Killeen, Texas during WW2 you got NOTHING.

This was changed by LBJ sometime around the mid 60&#039;s so that EVERY VET received the GI bill.  Peacetime as well as wartime.

IN addition the men in the photographs will receive from the government 100 percent disability. They will be scheduler 100&#039;s which will give them additional money.  

In addition they are due Social Security Disability as well and in combination with their VA disability It is not unreasonable to assume they will receive a combined monthly living allowance of 5000 dollars per month TAX FREE if not more.  That is the equivalent of nearly an 80,000 dollar a year job.  In addition they will also receive free medical and dental and vision the rest of their lives.

It is something I know about.  If you add up all my old war wounds the combined ratings equals 210 percent.  

No 1 million a month would can not bring back what they lost.  But let us not so distort the facts that you start believing the distortions you keep repeating over and over until it becomes the truth.

Let us not get carried away.  We do take care of our soldiers.  It is just antiwar talking points that keeps trying to deflect this away from the truth.

Is their care perfect?  No....but you shoulda seen the care my mother received in the Top notch civilian hospital back in January....made me thankful for the VA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The GI Bill for WWII to Vietnam allowed for education paid in full with a monthly stipend.</em></p>
<p>NO&#8230;It did not.  While the bill itself paid in full the WW2 vets the bill was changed when sometime before the Korean war massive fraud was uncovered as schools were overcharging for tuition.</p>
<p>Thus this aspect of the bill ended and it was forever changed.  Yet one must remember that this bill was for WARZONE vets only.  If you served in Killeen, Texas during WW2 you got NOTHING.</p>
<p>This was changed by LBJ sometime around the mid 60&#8242;s so that EVERY VET received the GI bill.  Peacetime as well as wartime.</p>
<p>IN addition the men in the photographs will receive from the government 100 percent disability. They will be scheduler 100&#8242;s which will give them additional money.  </p>
<p>In addition they are due Social Security Disability as well and in combination with their VA disability It is not unreasonable to assume they will receive a combined monthly living allowance of 5000 dollars per month TAX FREE if not more.  That is the equivalent of nearly an 80,000 dollar a year job.  In addition they will also receive free medical and dental and vision the rest of their lives.</p>
<p>It is something I know about.  If you add up all my old war wounds the combined ratings equals 210 percent.  </p>
<p>No 1 million a month would can not bring back what they lost.  But let us not so distort the facts that you start believing the distortions you keep repeating over and over until it becomes the truth.</p>
<p>Let us not get carried away.  We do take care of our soldiers.  It is just antiwar talking points that keeps trying to deflect this away from the truth.</p>
<p>Is their care perfect?  No&#8230;.but you shoulda seen the care my mother received in the Top notch civilian hospital back in January&#8230;.made me thankful for the VA.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrone Steels II</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104724</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrone Steels II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most definitely mental support!

Blackwater...  I&#039;m not even going to go deep into THEM but it&#039;s a horrific shame that mercenaries get better treatment than our country&#039;s military.  All I hear is excuses.  I can&#039;t imagine what a soldier goes through on the battlefield.  And everything I imagine tells me they deserve the red carpet treatment and then some if and when they get home.

No excuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most definitely mental support!</p>
<p>Blackwater&#8230;  I&#8217;m not even going to go deep into THEM but it&#8217;s a horrific shame that mercenaries get better treatment than our country&#8217;s military.  All I hear is excuses.  I can&#8217;t imagine what a soldier goes through on the battlefield.  And everything I imagine tells me they deserve the red carpet treatment and then some if and when they get home.</p>
<p>No excuses.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They need financial support. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And mental, if they&#039;ve been exposed to killing.

&lt;blockquote&gt;a $200,000 bonus &lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a year&#039;s pay at Blackwater, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They need financial support. </p></blockquote>
<p>And mental, if they&#8217;ve been exposed to killing.</p>
<blockquote><p>a $200,000 bonus </p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a year&#8217;s pay at Blackwater, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104721</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TS - Todays treatment is appalling, just look at what happened in Minnesota. The tours were cut short ONE DAY to limit financial bonuses that would kick in. The GI Bill for WWII to Vietnam allowed for education paid in full with a monthly stipend. Now the Marlboro Man os left to roam the hills of Kentucky.

Rangers and Seals are getting signup bonuses like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TS &#8211; Todays treatment is appalling, just look at what happened in Minnesota. The tours were cut short ONE DAY to limit financial bonuses that would kick in. The GI Bill for WWII to Vietnam allowed for education paid in full with a monthly stipend. Now the Marlboro Man os left to roam the hills of Kentucky.</p>
<p>Rangers and Seals are getting signup bonuses like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyrone Steels II</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104717</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyrone Steels II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the photo links Rudi and they speak to my point.  Not all soldiers come back from Iraq in that condition those soldiers are in but it doesn&#039;t matter.  They need financial support.  Look at those two soldiers.  If it was left up to me, they would have a $200,000 bonus in their bank account when they returned home (outside of medical and mental care).  That&#039;s enough to take care of the house, the car, and any bills with money to spare.  A clean slate.  And that&#039;s just a start.

It&#039;s appalling what they get now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the photo links Rudi and they speak to my point.  Not all soldiers come back from Iraq in that condition those soldiers are in but it doesn&#8217;t matter.  They need financial support.  Look at those two soldiers.  If it was left up to me, they would have a $200,000 bonus in their bank account when they returned home (outside of medical and mental care).  That&#8217;s enough to take care of the house, the car, and any bills with money to spare.  A clean slate.  And that&#8217;s just a start.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s appalling what they get now.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104714</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 01:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veterans Day is the Iraqis War Marlboro Man photo, not his current condition. I wonder why the WH doesn&#039;t post photos like this(&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/pl/081201presidentbush/im:/071109/ids_photos_ts/r3835990701.jpg;_ylt=AiDXmUy8dLVomUg8rD_UodzmWMcF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;33&lt;/a&gt;   or &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/pl/081201presidentbush/im:/071109/ids_photos_ts/r979962297.jpg;_ylt=Av2xxBwOPgGI3saCYJJHGBrmWMcF&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;27&lt;/a&gt;), instead of VFW photo-ops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veterans Day is the Iraqis War Marlboro Man photo, not his current condition. I wonder why the WH doesn&#8217;t post photos like this(<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/pl/081201presidentbush/im:/071109/ids_photos_ts/r3835990701.jpg;_ylt=AiDXmUy8dLVomUg8rD_UodzmWMcF" rel="nofollow">33</a>   or <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/pl/081201presidentbush/im:/071109/ids_photos_ts/r979962297.jpg;_ylt=Av2xxBwOPgGI3saCYJJHGBrmWMcF" rel="nofollow">27</a>), instead of VFW photo-ops.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And one other thing.   When will we get around to declaring Veterans Day a federal holiday for Veterans?

You should bring a copy of your DD214 to work showing an honorable discharge and you&#039;re off with pay!

I know, I&#039;m dreaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And one other thing.   When will we get around to declaring Veterans Day a federal holiday for Veterans?</p>
<p>You should bring a copy of your DD214 to work showing an honorable discharge and you&#8217;re off with pay!</p>
<p>I know, I&#8217;m dreaming.</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16070/our-government-unpatriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-104698</link>
		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 20:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why is there no GI bill for veterans?
Why is there no GI bill with child care provisions?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Because both of those programs cost money.

Because despite the rhetoric, a lot of politicians could care less about the welfare of our veterans once their service is complete.

If they complain about, say PTSD, the hero tag is immediately dropped and they are branded malcontent whiners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why is there no GI bill for veterans?<br />
Why is there no GI bill with child care provisions?
</p></blockquote>
<p>Because both of those programs cost money.</p>
<p>Because despite the rhetoric, a lot of politicians could care less about the welfare of our veterans once their service is complete.</p>
<p>If they complain about, say PTSD, the hero tag is immediately dropped and they are branded malcontent whiners.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It amazes me how, step by step, this has become a notion of &#039;can&#039;t do&quot;.

Aside from battle equipment and medical care,
Why is there no GI bill for veterans?
Why is there no GI bill with child care provisions?

Can&#039;t do, and we should be ashamed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me how, step by step, this has become a notion of &#8216;can&#8217;t do&#8221;.</p>
<p>Aside from battle equipment and medical care,<br />
Why is there no GI bill for veterans?<br />
Why is there no GI bill with child care provisions?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t do, and we should be ashamed.</p>
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