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		<title>By: Republicrat</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/16009/is-obama-the-new-gene-mccarthy/comment-page-1/#comment-104491</link>
		<dc:creator>Republicrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin A:

Thanks for the correction. For those interested, here&#039;s a good story on the pledge vs. national anthem question:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buffalonews.com/nationalworld/national/story/202025.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.buffalonews.com/nationalworld/national/story/202025.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin A:</p>
<p>Thanks for the correction. For those interested, here&#8217;s a good story on the pledge vs. national anthem question:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.buffalonews.com/nationalworld/national/story/202025.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.buffalonews.com/nationalworld/national/story/202025.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: KevinA</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep meaning to write more on it too, but somehow, it never quite happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep meaning to write more on it too, but somehow, it never quite happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;KevinA:&lt;/em&gt;

You have articulated a core aspect of the issue better than I, and for that matter Sullivan.

I am a student of the year 1968 and it was a turning point in so many extraordinary ways.  I plan to blog about that at some length on the 30th anniversary of that year next year.  But you&#039;re right.  It&#039;s time to move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>KevinA:</em></p>
<p>You have articulated a core aspect of the issue better than I, and for that matter Sullivan.</p>
<p>I am a student of the year 1968 and it was a turning point in so many extraordinary ways.  I plan to blog about that at some length on the 30th anniversary of that year next year.  But you&#8217;re right.  It&#8217;s time to move.</p>
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		<title>By: KevinA</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, my link didn&#039;t work.  Let&#039;s see&lt;a href=&quot;http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/13532/guest-voice-obamas-and-americas-generation-problem/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;.

Or http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/13532/guest-voice-obamas-and-americas-generation-problem/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, my link didn&#8217;t work.  Let&#8217;s see<a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/13532/guest-voice-obamas-and-americas-generation-problem/" rel="nofollow">.</p>
<p>Or </a><a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/13532/guest-voice-obamas-and-americas-generation-problem/" rel="nofollow">http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/13532/guest-voice-obamas-and-americas-generation-problem/</a></p>
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		<title>By: KevinA</title>
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		<dc:creator>KevinA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:42:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun,

To the extent you are accurate about the MSM problem, I think you miss a point.  Their viewpoints are either those of Boomers (esp. the Suits) or are greatly influenced by Boomer thought (such as it is).  That, I think, could be a problem, for Barack.

Interesting that you reference 1968.  Fitting really, though not in the way you might have anticipated.  What Obama, Sullivan, and I would argue is that we need to, FINALLY, move beyond 1968.  In truth, our politics has been stuck in that period since that yr. itself.  That&#039;s no way to govern in 2007-08.

BTW:  Republicrat, I want to correct something.  Obama has said he DOES say the pledge.  The issue was proper HAND PLACEMENT for the Anthem

PS:  I wrote about this here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/13532/guest-voice-obamas-and-americas-generation-problem/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,</p>
<p>To the extent you are accurate about the MSM problem, I think you miss a point.  Their viewpoints are either those of Boomers (esp. the Suits) or are greatly influenced by Boomer thought (such as it is).  That, I think, could be a problem, for Barack.</p>
<p>Interesting that you reference 1968.  Fitting really, though not in the way you might have anticipated.  What Obama, Sullivan, and I would argue is that we need to, FINALLY, move beyond 1968.  In truth, our politics has been stuck in that period since that yr. itself.  That&#8217;s no way to govern in 2007-08.</p>
<p>BTW:  Republicrat, I want to correct something.  Obama has said he DOES say the pledge.  The issue was proper HAND PLACEMENT for the Anthem</p>
<p>PS:  I wrote about this here: <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/13532/guest-voice-obamas-and-americas-generation-problem/" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MidAmcn</title>
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		<dc:creator>MidAmcn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not think Obama is the next McCarty, his voting record is plenty of fair game instead of his Muslim name.

Obama supports or is against the following.

1) Is for allowing Violent Illegal Alien Felons to become citizens.
Voted - No
To - S Amdt 1184 to S Amdt 1150 to S 1348: To establish a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals.
&quot;Vote to pass an amendment that would prohibit undocumented immigrants convicted of aggravated felonies, domestic violence, stalking, violation of protection orders, crimes against children, or crimes relating to the illegal purchase or sale of firearms, from gaining legal status. &quot;

2)  Is for allowing any organization to prevent parents from exercising their rights when it comes to their children and abortion.
Voted - No
To - S 403: A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions. 

3) This protecting the US Flag from Desecration in the US Constitution is wrong.
Voted - No
To - S J Res 12: A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States authorizing Congress to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States. 

4) And has missed by 20+ votes in the senate this year because he would rather run for POTUS than fulfill his obligations to the people of Illinois.

I do not think McCarty would have missed so many votes in 2007 (1 - year before the 2008 races even start) and voted like the votes listed above.  It appears to me he has deliberately missed several controversial votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not think Obama is the next McCarty, his voting record is plenty of fair game instead of his Muslim name.</p>
<p>Obama supports or is against the following.</p>
<p>1) Is for allowing Violent Illegal Alien Felons to become citizens.<br />
Voted &#8211; No<br />
To &#8211; S Amdt 1184 to S Amdt 1150 to S 1348: To establish a permanent bar for gang members, terrorists, and other criminals.<br />
&#8220;Vote to pass an amendment that would prohibit undocumented immigrants convicted of aggravated felonies, domestic violence, stalking, violation of protection orders, crimes against children, or crimes relating to the illegal purchase or sale of firearms, from gaining legal status. &#8221;</p>
<p>2)  Is for allowing any organization to prevent parents from exercising their rights when it comes to their children and abortion.<br />
Voted &#8211; No<br />
To &#8211; S 403: A bill to amend title 18, United States Code, to prohibit taking minors across State lines in circumvention of laws requiring the involvement of parents in abortion decisions. </p>
<p>3) This protecting the US Flag from Desecration in the US Constitution is wrong.<br />
Voted &#8211; No<br />
To &#8211; S J Res 12: A joint resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States authorizing Congress to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States. </p>
<p>4) And has missed by 20+ votes in the senate this year because he would rather run for POTUS than fulfill his obligations to the people of Illinois.</p>
<p>I do not think McCarty would have missed so many votes in 2007 (1 &#8211; year before the 2008 races even start) and voted like the votes listed above.  It appears to me he has deliberately missed several controversial votes.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And aren&#039;t all the Republicans trying to be Humphrey?

Except Ron Paul,lol. He&#039;s this election&#039;s Pat Buchanan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And aren&#8217;t all the Republicans trying to be Humphrey?</p>
<p>Except Ron Paul,lol. He&#8217;s this election&#8217;s Pat Buchanan.</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But isn&#039;t George W. Bush this year&#039;s LBJ?

And aren&#039;t all the Republicans trying to be Humphrey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But isn&#8217;t George W. Bush this year&#8217;s LBJ?</p>
<p>And aren&#8217;t all the Republicans trying to be Humphrey?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George Will made this same point on ABC&#039;s &lt;i&gt;This  Week&lt;/i&gt; last Sunday.  His  point was that Obama is staking out much the same territory as Gene McCarthy,  John Edwards as Robert Kennedy, and Hillary Clinton as Hubert Humphrey (although if Hillary Clinton had Hubert Humphrey&#039;s relentless optimism she&#039;d be a better candidate).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Will made this same point on ABC&#8217;s <i>This  Week</i> last Sunday.  His  point was that Obama is staking out much the same territory as Gene McCarthy,  John Edwards as Robert Kennedy, and Hillary Clinton as Hubert Humphrey (although if Hillary Clinton had Hubert Humphrey&#8217;s relentless optimism she&#8217;d be a better candidate).</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Krit. If Obama gets the nomination, he&#039;ll suddenly become worse than Shillary or that guy who shot himself that the Democrats nominated last time. 

I mean, his name &lt;em&gt;rhymes&lt;/em&gt; with Osama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Krit. If Obama gets the nomination, he&#8217;ll suddenly become worse than Shillary or that guy who shot himself that the Democrats nominated last time. </p>
<p>I mean, his name <em>rhymes</em> with Osama.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue isn&#039;t whether Obama owes anyone an explanation, but rather that during a presidential campaign everything he does is fair game for the opposition. 
The GOP usually tries to present Democrats as less 
patriotic, enablers of our enemies. They have already insinuated that Obama is not quite a true-blue American by mixing him up with Osama, or emphasizing his middle name (Hussein). A lot of voters think he&#039;s a Muslim and attended a madrassa, thanks to Fox News.  Were he to overcome Hillary&#039;s lead, he would become their main target.  Wouldn&#039;t this be a likely tactic for Republican strategists, who are getting a little desperate over their chances of holding onto the White House? Why give them ammunition unnecessarily? Just remember the swift boating of John Kerry and Max Clelland, if you have any doubts that not wearing a flag pin or saying the pledge would be magnified into not swearing allegiance to the US during the heat of the campaign. Mitt Romney already confused Obama and Osama in speeches. The GOP base eats that stuff up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue isn&#8217;t whether Obama owes anyone an explanation, but rather that during a presidential campaign everything he does is fair game for the opposition.<br />
The GOP usually tries to present Democrats as less<br />
patriotic, enablers of our enemies. They have already insinuated that Obama is not quite a true-blue American by mixing him up with Osama, or emphasizing his middle name (Hussein). A lot of voters think he&#8217;s a Muslim and attended a madrassa, thanks to Fox News.  Were he to overcome Hillary&#8217;s lead, he would become their main target.  Wouldn&#8217;t this be a likely tactic for Republican strategists, who are getting a little desperate over their chances of holding onto the White House? Why give them ammunition unnecessarily? Just remember the swift boating of John Kerry and Max Clelland, if you have any doubts that not wearing a flag pin or saying the pledge would be magnified into not swearing allegiance to the US during the heat of the campaign. Mitt Romney already confused Obama and Osama in speeches. The GOP base eats that stuff up.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My generation has had its chance and blew it. Itâ€™s time to give the next generation a shot.&quot;

Now that&#039;s ironic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My generation has had its chance and blew it. Itâ€™s time to give the next generation a shot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now that&#8217;s ironic.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Republicrat:&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t think Obama &quot;owes&quot; anyone an explanation about his not wearing an American flag on his lapel.  He has said why that is so and I have no problem with his reasoning.  In fact, the lapel &quot;issue&quot; is far and away the most bogus of the campaign to date.

I just came in from putting out my American flag for Veterans Day weekend.  No other houses in my neighborhood are displaying American flags.  Does this make my neighbors unpatriotic?

We need to focus on&lt;em&gt; real&lt;/em&gt; issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Republicrat:</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Obama &#8220;owes&#8221; anyone an explanation about his not wearing an American flag on his lapel.  He has said why that is so and I have no problem with his reasoning.  In fact, the lapel &#8220;issue&#8221; is far and away the most bogus of the campaign to date.</p>
<p>I just came in from putting out my American flag for Veterans Day weekend.  No other houses in my neighborhood are displaying American flags.  Does this make my neighbors unpatriotic?</p>
<p>We need to focus on<em> real</em> issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Republicrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republicrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun:

Senator Obama has unquestionably done more that any other Democrat to reach out to evangelicals who care about issues like global warming and AIDS. A good example of this effort is his meetings with Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback church in California and author of the wildly popular &lt;em&gt;The Purpose Driven Life&lt;/em&gt;.

The same evangelicals, however, who are drawn by his recent gestures scratch their heads when they see him refuse to say the pledge of allegiance or wear an American flag on his lapel. (If every commentator on NFL broadcasts can wear one, why can&#039;t Senator Obama?) Some evangelicals - like Dr. Gregory Boyd - have criticized the U.S. conservative Christian tendency to juxtapose flag and cross, but most see no conflict.  

Has Mr. Obama given a good explanation of his refusal to do these things? It does seem like an error on par with Governor Dukakis&#039; refusal to say the pledge of allegiance in the &#039;88 campaign, and we all know what President Bush - 41 did with that. What a gift!

Any insights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun:</p>
<p>Senator Obama has unquestionably done more that any other Democrat to reach out to evangelicals who care about issues like global warming and AIDS. A good example of this effort is his meetings with Pastor Rick Warren of Saddleback church in California and author of the wildly popular <em>The Purpose Driven Life</em>.</p>
<p>The same evangelicals, however, who are drawn by his recent gestures scratch their heads when they see him refuse to say the pledge of allegiance or wear an American flag on his lapel. (If every commentator on NFL broadcasts can wear one, why can&#8217;t Senator Obama?) Some evangelicals &#8211; like Dr. Gregory Boyd &#8211; have criticized the U.S. conservative Christian tendency to juxtapose flag and cross, but most see no conflict.  </p>
<p>Has Mr. Obama given a good explanation of his refusal to do these things? It does seem like an error on par with Governor Dukakis&#8217; refusal to say the pledge of allegiance in the &#8216;88 campaign, and we all know what President Bush &#8211; 41 did with that. What a gift!</p>
<p>Any insights?</p>
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