Have fun talking amongst yourself in 100% agreement though.

Well, at least if we abide by the posting guidelines we can be sure our comments won’t be deleted. Unlike at some other venues.

If that’s ‘trolling’ at this site, well, it becomes difficult to leave any comments then, isn’t it?

Have fun talking amongst yourself in 100% agreement though.

Steve: I think that Pete may appreciate your comment more if you would use his real name, not Peterrrr.

paul weyrich’s boy mitt “don’t call me baseball glove” romney

Yep, Romney finally got a celeb endorsement.

We all know Bush will just wait and endorse the eventual nominee — if anyone wants him endorsing anybody at all next year, that is. (Whether his endorsement is sought or he is avoided, that is next year’s question.)

If you’ve read Guiliani’s article in Foreign Affairs and still reached the above solution then I really don’t know how to respond.

If you were referring to this, then you have work to do, all right.

Giuliani is a lightweight celebrity trying to ride 9-11 to the Presidency, a lightweight who is far from a true conservative, which gives us non-liberals extra concern that Hillary Clinton is likely to become our next President. What he wrote in Foreign Affairs (or at least what I provided a link to) is in no way crazy, nor does it offend, much less alarm, anybody normal. Giuliani has defects but is in no way crazy, while the depth and disease inherent in all the Bush- and GOP-bashing (as well as other demented radical nonsense I have seen here on occasion) that goes on here does give us normal people cause for concern, as well as irritating or annoying us. (Sometimes we laugh at the parroting of the usual stuff, and sometimes we just ignore it.)

Thank you for standing up for your friend and I agree with you this is not about politics it’s about decency and respect.

Decency and respect Michael aren’t the personal property of any political party or ideology and it’s a shame when thuggery knocks on anyones door.

I think it’s wise if we don’t persue such a debate. Lets agree to disagree. The style puts me off (and most right-of-center readers), you don’t have a problem with it, both viewpoints are fine.

As for Giuliani; as I wrote, I don’t like his foreign policy views. They’re way too hawkish for my taste. He’s out-Bushing Bush.

Net-Net: I think we earn our “moderation stripes” not in how or what we opine, but in how we treat each other in the wake of our opining.

Pete, I agree with your sentiment. I get so sick of reading through threads where after all the name calling & mud slinging, I can’t remember what the hell the post was originally. I don’t know about anyone else, but how can I support my own opinions if I am not willing to at least examine an opposing viewpoint to see whether I missed something along the way?

I don’t get on these things to sing to the choir, but to hopefully change some opinions, even if it sometimes is my own. I can’t do that if I habitually put people on the defensive by calling them out. Of course, sometimes I do that anyway. Sometimes it is to let off steam, & sometimes to get their attention first. Generally comments for the latter reason are closed with something like, if you are pissed off, then maybe you might take a good look within.

Meanwhile, back to original topic – Rudy scares me, not because he is so much of a nutcase, but because I fear he may have enough people fooled to actually win.

Loved the post, Shaun. Great sarcasm.

Net: I think we all need to open up and look at the balance of each other’s opinions, not one-off points, or even series of points. Hell, you and I have strongly disagreed on topics before, but we have not let those disagreements lead to a schism between us. Shaun deserves the same consideration, as does every TMV and Gazette and other blog writers, readers, and commenters.

Amen, Pete!!

First, does Mr. Mullen have strong, consistent, and generally left-leaning opinions? Yes, as much so as you and others have strong, consistent, and generally right-leaning opinions.

Second, does Mr. Mullen occasionally voice his opinions in a direct and perhaps “immoderate” manner? Of course he does — and so do I, and so do you, etc.

But none of this places any of us beyond the scope of finding common ground or expressing predominantely reasonable, fair, and open-minded points-of-view.

In fact, on balance, regardless of whether I agree with him or not, I find Shaun a remarkably reasonable person. Even on “hot topics” where we have vehemently disagreed — like Christine Whitman and Ground Zero — we have still managed to get along and find points of agreement elsewhere. For instance, if I remember correctly, we agree that Hugo Chavez is despicable; and in that respect, Shaun’s much closer to the “right” than he is to his compatriots on the “left.” Same could be said about his implied views on HRC, from his E. Roosevelt post earlier today.

Net: I think we all need to open up and look at the balance of each other’s opinions, not one-off points, or even series of points. Hell, you and I have strongly disagreed on topics before, but we have not let those disagreements lead to a schism between us. Shaun deserves the same consideration, as does every TMV and Gazette and other blog writers, readers, and commenters.

Net-Net: I think we earn our “moderation stripes” not in how or what we opine, but in how we treat each other in the wake of our opining.

You’ve outdone not only Guiliani (who’s hardly wacky)

If you’ve read Guiliani’s article in Foreign Affairs and still reached the above solution then I really don’t know how to respond.

And while Shaun’s politics might differ from mine, we have at least agreed on this much: Rudy is unsuitable for the office of President, for many reasons, not least of which are his persistent ego-mania and impatience with all other points-of-view.

LOL isn’t that something a certain person thinks about all Republicans?

Anyway Pete – I agree that there are better people out there in the Republican camp. Especially Romney, McCain and Huckabee.

In Shaun’s defense, I this this was a perfectly acceptable, tongue-in-cheek post.

Robertson is a political liability rather than an asset, true.

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whackadoodle ideas

You’ve outdone not only Guiliani (who’s hardly wacky) but Robertson as well this time. Do you really demonize anything with an R stamped on it more than any object of Robertson’s fear or wrath?