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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15950/democrats-that-was-the-year-that-was/comment-page-1/#comment-104202</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun-

I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re sounding a bit like the Rpublicans today.  I wnat.  I want.  I want.
For them, I&#039;ll use the immigration issue.  They want the illegals to disappear into thein air, with no practical solutions of how to achieve that or consideration for the consequences of some of their demans.  

For you, it&#039;s Mukasey and torture.  Refusing to okay the nomination would not have done anything to strenghen the position on waterboarding.  
Bush said he would not nominatie anyone else, so the DOJ would just lumber along the way it is.  What would be gained other than an emptry gesture?

This way, at least someone with administrative competence can get the DOJ functioning again.
If Bush is willing to let the DOJ rot just for childish spite, then someone has to step in with an adult sense of responsibility, and there is no one else for that someone to be but Congress.

The question of torture is the same either way.
This way, at least something may improve in the DOJ.  It would be nice to see something working in the government, and if the man in charge won&#039;t see to it, then it&#039;s more important to get done whatever can get done than to go off in a huff. 
Just saying &#039;I want&#039; won&#039;t get you there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun-</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re sounding a bit like the Rpublicans today.  I wnat.  I want.  I want.<br />
For them, I&#8217;ll use the immigration issue.  They want the illegals to disappear into thein air, with no practical solutions of how to achieve that or consideration for the consequences of some of their demans.  </p>
<p>For you, it&#8217;s Mukasey and torture.  Refusing to okay the nomination would not have done anything to strenghen the position on waterboarding.<br />
Bush said he would not nominatie anyone else, so the DOJ would just lumber along the way it is.  What would be gained other than an emptry gesture?</p>
<p>This way, at least someone with administrative competence can get the DOJ functioning again.<br />
If Bush is willing to let the DOJ rot just for childish spite, then someone has to step in with an adult sense of responsibility, and there is no one else for that someone to be but Congress.</p>
<p>The question of torture is the same either way.<br />
This way, at least something may improve in the DOJ.  It would be nice to see something working in the government, and if the man in charge won&#8217;t see to it, then it&#8217;s more important to get done whatever can get done than to go off in a huff.<br />
Just saying &#8216;I want&#8217; won&#8217;t get you there.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely you aren&#039;t upset because the Dems don&#039;t force the US military out of Iraq immediately, or &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/11/cheney_impeachment_resolution.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;impeach Cheney&lt;/a&gt;, tactics that would earn another 1994.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely you aren&#8217;t upset because the Dems don&#8217;t force the US military out of Iraq immediately, or <a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2007/11/cheney_impeachment_resolution.html" rel="nofollow">impeach Cheney</a>, tactics that would earn another 1994.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15950/democrats-that-was-the-year-that-was/comment-page-1/#comment-104165</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The Democratic leadership in Congress is not trying that hard because they not that Senator Clinton will be the next president and then they can do whatever they want. Why take a beating in politics today when you get everything you want tomorrow without pain?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There&#039;s a more subtle point.  The Democrats (as is true with Clinton&#039;s stage image and campaign image) dare not go too far left or they risk losing what at this time is all but already handed to them.

She has to get into office first, then she and they get to lunge much farther to the left.  At least for two years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The Democratic leadership in Congress is not trying that hard because they not that Senator Clinton will be the next president and then they can do whatever they want. Why take a beating in politics today when you get everything you want tomorrow without pain?</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s a more subtle point.  The Democrats (as is true with Clinton&#8217;s stage image and campaign image) dare not go too far left or they risk losing what at this time is all but already handed to them.</p>
<p>She has to get into office first, then she and they get to lunge much farther to the left.  At least for two years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 22:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;there is nothing more important today than the fight over water-boarding&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not true in the real world, just in the lefty cyber-play-pen world, but thanks for the chuckle.

Of course, once the next defective S-CHIP bill is vetoed, once again there will be &quot;nothing more important today&quot; than increasing the funding for S-CHIP, the hyped-crisis-du-jour that predated the waterboarding issue and which will return sometime soon.  And we&#039;ll hear lies again about this is all about &quot;the children,&quot; and America&#039;s soul, et cetera, ad nauseum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there is nothing more important today than the fight over water-boarding</p></blockquote>
<p>Not true in the real world, just in the lefty cyber-play-pen world, but thanks for the chuckle.</p>
<p>Of course, once the next defective S-CHIP bill is vetoed, once again there will be &#8220;nothing more important today&#8221; than increasing the funding for S-CHIP, the hyped-crisis-du-jour that predated the waterboarding issue and which will return sometime soon.  And we&#8217;ll hear lies again about this is all about &#8220;the children,&#8221; and America&#8217;s soul, et cetera, ad nauseum.</p>
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		<title>By: The Heretik : Abandon All Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heretik : Abandon All Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Abandon all hope. Good thing the Dems are in charge of Congress. Or not. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Abandon all hope. Good thing the Dems are in charge of Congress. Or not. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Progressive Viewpoints</title>
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		<dc:creator>Progressive Viewpoints</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Dems: That Was The Year That Was...&lt;/strong&gt;

There is no question that the last few months have been enormously frustrating regarding the inability of the Democratic Congress to address core issues of the Iraq war and usurpation of powers by the President. The two things that temper it are: (1) D...</description>
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<p>There is no question that the last few months have been enormously frustrating regarding the inability of the Democratic Congress to address core issues of the Iraq war and usurpation of powers by the President. The two things that temper it are: (1) D&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re pretty much right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re pretty much right.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And I repeat again, the Republicans are pitiful.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And I repeat again, the &lt;strike&gt;Republicans&lt;/strike&gt;Democrats are pitiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And I repeat again, the Republicans are pitiful.</p></blockquote>
<p>And I repeat again, the <strike>Republicans</strike>Democrats are pitiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Dems: That Was The Year That Was &#124; Political news - democrats republicans socialists greens liberals conservatives</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dems: That Was The Year That Was &#124; Political news - democrats republicans socialists greens liberals conservatives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] post by Shaun Mullen         This was written by . Posted on Tuesday, November 6, 2007, at 4:58 am. Filed under [...]</description>
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		<title>By: University Update - George W Bush - Dems: That Was The Year That Was</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - George W Bush - Dems: That Was The Year That Was</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Clark                           Dems: That Was The Year That Was &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice Â» Domestic and international news [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dems: That Was The Year That Was at Chicago Personal Injury Attorney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dems: That Was The Year That Was at Chicago Personal Injury Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Original post by Chicago Personal Injury Attorney - Google News [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Schumer: When Should the Senate Disavow Torture? &#171; The Crone Speaks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schumer: When Should the Senate Disavow Torture? &#171; The Crone Speaks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] must be brought to the carpet to answer when, exactly, is the right time for the Senate to disavow torture, because he sure as hell [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] must be brought to the carpet to answer when, exactly, is the right time for the Senate to disavow torture, because he sure as hell [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 13:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD - Even if Billary win in 08, without 60 votes in the Senate nothing will happen. The Repugligans love the filibuster. I wait for Billary&#039;s first SOTUS appointment.

The Dems are pitiful, Web seems to be the only one with a backbone and most of his war restraining bills are tied up in commitee. Kyl-Lieberman passes and the Webb-Clinton bill is going nowhere.

And I repeat again, the Republicans are pitiful. It&#039;s easier to win than to shape law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD &#8211; Even if Billary win in 08, without 60 votes in the Senate nothing will happen. The Repugligans love the filibuster. I wait for Billary&#8217;s first SOTUS appointment.</p>
<p>The Dems are pitiful, Web seems to be the only one with a backbone and most of his war restraining bills are tied up in commitee. Kyl-Lieberman passes and the Webb-Clinton bill is going nowhere.</p>
<p>And I repeat again, the Republicans are pitiful. It&#8217;s easier to win than to shape law.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - Iraq - Dems: That Was The Year That Was</title>
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		<dc:creator>University Update - Iraq - Dems: That Was The Year That Was</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] House                           Dems: That Was The Year That Was &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice Â» Domestic and international news [...]</description>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 12:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you really think that the party of let the government do everything was really going to let the Attorney General&#039;s office be empty for 15 months.  Do you really think that the Democratic Party would send a message that a cabinet post can be empty for 15 months and nothing bad happens in order to send a phony political message over something that will not matter in a couple of years. 

The Democratic leadership in Congress is not trying that hard because they not that Senator Clinton will be the next president and then they can do whatever they want.  Why take a beating in politics today when you get everything you want tomorrow without pain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you really think that the party of let the government do everything was really going to let the Attorney General&#8217;s office be empty for 15 months.  Do you really think that the Democratic Party would send a message that a cabinet post can be empty for 15 months and nothing bad happens in order to send a phony political message over something that will not matter in a couple of years. </p>
<p>The Democratic leadership in Congress is not trying that hard because they not that Senator Clinton will be the next president and then they can do whatever they want.  Why take a beating in politics today when you get everything you want tomorrow without pain?</p>
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