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	<title>Comments on: Pakistan Lawyers Protest and Are Beaten By Soldiers: Something Odd About This Photo</title>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 08:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ah, thank you Jilly Dybka, I will speak to the Mighty-T (steels) about whether that will work with tmv. Appreciate knowing a place to start
 dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah, thank you Jilly Dybka, I will speak to the Mighty-T (steels) about whether that will work with tmv. Appreciate knowing a place to start<br />
 dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: Jilly Dybka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jilly Dybka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dr. Estes -- you are looking for an &quot;image dump&quot; website where you can upload the photos and then  link to them here I think?

People use photo bucket dot com &amp; there are some others. (I haven&#039;t tried them because I have my own server space.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dr. Estes &#8212; you are looking for an &#8220;image dump&#8221; website where you can upload the photos and then  link to them here I think?</p>
<p>People use photo bucket dot com &#038; there are some others. (I haven&#8217;t tried them because I have my own server space.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Swaraaj, thank you for those poignant insights. Add Mexico and Panama, El Salvador and Guatemala to your list  of Indian, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Asia and Afria. The post-Conquest has left those countries with so many poor who will work and go to war simply for adequate food. 

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Police in Pakistan acts in a more high-handed manner because it allows even plainclothesmen to get into the act of terrorising peopleâ€¦and later putting the blame on &#039;unknown civilians&#039; for the brutalities committed.

In such an atmosphere where law-abiding citizens cannot protest, the seeds of terrorism are sown. Terrorists are indirectly backed by helpless citizens who are caught between th devil and the deep sea.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

This that you wrote above is especially helpful to understand how people take it and take it til they can&#039;t take it anymore. The SAME thing happens in Mexico, Guatemala, NO ONE is ever responsible for murders, kidnappings, beatings, rapes. Every now and then, they hang a poor peasant, saying he/she was the guilty one, when in fact everyone knows that is false.

I am more strongly aware than ever that to have a democracy worthy of the title, there has to be a rule of law that is reliably followed, rather than a law of the person in power at the moment. The shaking of this &#039;rule of law&#039; is also what is sending tremors through many in the US about the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Swaraaj, thank you for those poignant insights. Add Mexico and Panama, El Salvador and Guatemala to your list  of Indian, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Asia and Afria. The post-Conquest has left those countries with so many poor who will work and go to war simply for adequate food. </p>
<p><em>&#8220;Police in Pakistan acts in a more high-handed manner because it allows even plainclothesmen to get into the act of terrorising peopleâ€¦and later putting the blame on &#8216;unknown civilians&#8217; for the brutalities committed.</p>
<p>In such an atmosphere where law-abiding citizens cannot protest, the seeds of terrorism are sown. Terrorists are indirectly backed by helpless citizens who are caught between th devil and the deep sea.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>This that you wrote above is especially helpful to understand how people take it and take it til they can&#8217;t take it anymore. The SAME thing happens in Mexico, Guatemala, NO ONE is ever responsible for murders, kidnappings, beatings, rapes. Every now and then, they hang a poor peasant, saying he/she was the guilty one, when in fact everyone knows that is false.</p>
<p>I am more strongly aware than ever that to have a democracy worthy of the title, there has to be a rule of law that is reliably followed, rather than a law of the person in power at the moment. The shaking of this &#8216;rule of law&#8217; is also what is sending tremors through many in the US about the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Swaraaj Chauhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Swaraaj Chauhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 05:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.

In our part of the world the police is overworked, underpaid and ill-trained. Dictators and politicians do not care much about police reforms because when in power they inevitably misuse these men and women in uniform for their own purposes.

Even if the civilians return to power, you would still see the same faces doing the same thing to the ordinary protesting people.

This happens often in India, Paksitan, Bangladesh...and in Asia and Africa.

The present police is a legacy of the foreign colonial masters and continues as such -- obeying the new masters who have also learned that by terrorising ordinary people they can stamp out any protest.

Police in Pakistan acts in a more high-handed manner because it allows even plainclothesmen to get into the act of terrorising people...and later putting the blame on &#039;unknown civilians&#039; for the brutalities committed.

In such an atmosphere where law-abiding citizens cannot protest, the seeds of terrorism are sown. Terrorists are indirectly backed by helpless citizens who are caught between th devil and the deep sea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.</p>
<p>In our part of the world the police is overworked, underpaid and ill-trained. Dictators and politicians do not care much about police reforms because when in power they inevitably misuse these men and women in uniform for their own purposes.</p>
<p>Even if the civilians return to power, you would still see the same faces doing the same thing to the ordinary protesting people.</p>
<p>This happens often in India, Paksitan, Bangladesh&#8230;and in Asia and Africa.</p>
<p>The present police is a legacy of the foreign colonial masters and continues as such &#8212; obeying the new masters who have also learned that by terrorising ordinary people they can stamp out any protest.</p>
<p>Police in Pakistan acts in a more high-handed manner because it allows even plainclothesmen to get into the act of terrorising people&#8230;and later putting the blame on &#8216;unknown civilians&#8217; for the brutalities committed.</p>
<p>In such an atmosphere where law-abiding citizens cannot protest, the seeds of terrorism are sown. Terrorists are indirectly backed by helpless citizens who are caught between th devil and the deep sea.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estés</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you rick moran. I wonder, do you think a lot of people in Pakistan would be happy with their court system being dismantled? That the courts including the &#039;supreme&#039; court being &#039;closed&#039; seems to bode very poorly for the people in Pakistan; the court system is supposed to be the place of not just prosecution, but of aquital of those charged falsely, or in which there is not enough evidence to convict. I hope it&#039;s not a return to &#039;the star chamber,&#039; idea of courts. 
dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you rick moran. I wonder, do you think a lot of people in Pakistan would be happy with their court system being dismantled? That the courts including the &#8217;supreme&#8217; court being &#8216;closed&#8217; seems to bode very poorly for the people in Pakistan; the court system is supposed to be the place of not just prosecution, but of aquital of those charged falsely, or in which there is not enough evidence to convict. I hope it&#8217;s not a return to &#8216;the star chamber,&#8217; idea of courts.<br />
dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: rick moran</title>
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		<dc:creator>rick moran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most people know full well who the &quot;rabble rousers&quot; are. Many of the lawyers who were arrested in the last 48 hours had their houses surrounded by ordinary people (or perhaps some paid agitators of the governments) before the military got there to arrest them.

As they are arrested and led out, the crowd hurls insults and surrounds them in a threatening manner. I understand that this occasionally does break into violence so your speculation that the policeman is actually protecting the lawyer may be accurate.

The point is not everyone in Pakistan is unhappy with Musharraf. Anyone being arrested would be open to such treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most people know full well who the &#8220;rabble rousers&#8221; are. Many of the lawyers who were arrested in the last 48 hours had their houses surrounded by ordinary people (or perhaps some paid agitators of the governments) before the military got there to arrest them.</p>
<p>As they are arrested and led out, the crowd hurls insults and surrounds them in a threatening manner. I understand that this occasionally does break into violence so your speculation that the policeman is actually protecting the lawyer may be accurate.</p>
<p>The point is not everyone in Pakistan is unhappy with Musharraf. Anyone being arrested would be open to such treatment.</p>
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