Comments on: Killadelphia: City of Brotherly Mayhem

By: Bones_708

Bones_708 — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:09:13 +0000

Dom doesn’t what happened in NYC show that guns are not the biggest reason for crime? That the crime and murder rate was dropped so greatly without any change in the gun laws shows that. NYC had increasing tougher gun laws and the crime rate would go up.

Another point

When other states impede the process by passing laws to protect gun dealers

Since when do other states need to put the desires on other States ahead of their own? Why would protecting the right of gun ownership (that is #2 on the big 10) be labeled as protecting gun dealers? Every state has their own state constitution with varied stances on many issues, is that a problem? Should following their own state constitution and the desires expressed by the constituents of their state really be considered sabotage?

By: domajot

domajot — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:46:42 +0000

PWT,

It depnds on wha kind of gun laws ans what kind of guns.
As you know, a legal and licensed gun is permissable in NYC. Those are seldom involved in crime, however.
Tracking down and elimininating the illegal sources for guns could, of course, never be fool-proog, but If it were possible, the supply could be curtailed.
Just like the indlux of illegal cigarettes was brought under control

When other states impede the process by passing laws to protect gun dealers, it’s NYC that pays the price, and people say gun laws don’t work. They sure don’t work if they are sabotaged by other states, that’s for sure.

By: DLS

DLS — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:24:04 +0000

Relevent reading

By: PWT

PWT — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:21:45 +0000

domajot,

I live in NYC.

I’m sure its been said before but, gun laws do very little to prevent criminals from obtaining guns. You know, marijuana is illegal but I can walk a few blocks south to Washington Square Park-or north to Central Park for that matter-and purchase some within a matter of minutes (not that I would, they sell crap down there but you get the point).

By: Sam

Sam — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:16:42 +0000

The “Gansta Lifestyle” in these areas is already a feature, it wasn’t promoted by music. The only people that hear the music and try to live it are in the suburbs. Those in the inner city are clued into it well before they hear any music, because its not just a song there, its how it is. And poor people violence has existed long before the “wellfare state”, thats just a total cop out. The ghettos were just as bad when they were populated with italians, germans, irish, et al.. Help for the poorest helps far more than it hurts.

By: domajot

domajot — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:52:30 +0000

MidAm-

No, sorry, you’ll have to find another situation to make this yhe fault of the black race.

The real story is one of inner city poverty where officials have their hands tied by lawmakers who don’t live there imposing restricions on what they can do to combat both poverty and crime.

By: MidAmcn

MidAmcn — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:33:46 +0000

Itsn’t the real problem here is Black on Black violence. Where the MSM always wants to make a huge deal if there is case of white-on-black violenece or slur. They refuse to discuss the spiral downwards of Black Culture.

A spiral that was started with the explosion of the welfare state with its father-less children and now accelerating with the gloriification of the Gangsta lifestyle.

Some simple stats (that you can’t blame on just guns becuase many states that are not heavily black have very permissive gun laws).

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Nationally, the murder rate for African-Americans is more than three times the average: 19 black murder victims per 100,000 people versus five for the general population.

In Pennsylvania, the disparity for black homicide is even more pronounced: 30 per 100,000, or six times the national average.

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The Gangsta Culture is just live and well in Philadelphia just like it was in New Orleans just before the storm hit.

By: domajot

domajot — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:12:33 +0000

PWT,
If you’re really interested in NYC, I can tell you that it’s efforts at gun control have worked fairly well.to recuce crime.
It’s thwarted, however, in tracing the source of the guns coming into NYC by laws in neighboring and other states, like PA, which limit access to the pertinent infomation.

Guns are big business with a powerful lobby.
Philadelphis is but one result. NYC is impacted, as well.

By: PWT

PWT — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:19:05 +0000

Meanwhile, New York City, with five times Philadelphiaâ€™s population and once Americaâ€™s murder mecca, has had â€œonlyâ€ 220 murders. Chicago and Los Angeles also lag far behind.

I would say then, if NY can do it, so can any large city. Follow New York’s example – broken windows, now who was responsible for that effort…..you’d think there would be more mention of that person’s name but it escapes me at the moment. Perhaps it is an unfair comparison and I’m just being more of a jerk today than usual, perhaps not.

By: domajot

domajot — Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:29:31 +0000

When you juxtapose life in Philadelphia wtih the luxury lives of those making laws and distributing resources, the decline of the US begins to take on a heightened meaning.
There are reasonble comprimises possible between the two views on gun control, but the reasonable have been pushed out of the picture by those protecting the supply of guns at every step and every level. It has reached a point that even doing research on the subject has been made nearly impossible, because of laws protecticng the gun business all the way through the supply chain.

The NRA is a major reason why I support public financing for political campaigns..

Maybe if pictures and crime statistics about Philadelphia were distributed more widely abroad, our esteemed leaders might be shamed into admtitting some of the dirty little secrets about how this country works and doesn’t work.
“Mr. Ambassador, tell me about Philadelphis’ is a question I would love to hear all around the globe.