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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;But the Democrats in the Senate are arguing that the U.S. does not need an A.G. until sometime in the middle of March 2009 and does not need an A.G. who is up to speed until the Summer of 2009. Either the A.G. job is important and needs to be filled or it is unimportant and can go years without being filled. The Democrats in the Senate seem to want it both ways just like they want it both ways on most issues.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So let me get this straight SD, you&#039;d rather see the spot filled quickly with perhaps a Gonzalez-lite rather than have the committee fully vet the appointee to be certain that his duty is to uphold the Constitution rather that this President?  &lt;snark on&gt;Heck why even have an approval process?  Obviously the president knows best &amp; his nominee needs no vetting.  &lt;snark off&gt;  Good grief!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD said:</p>
<blockquote><p>But the Democrats in the Senate are arguing that the U.S. does not need an A.G. until sometime in the middle of March 2009 and does not need an A.G. who is up to speed until the Summer of 2009. Either the A.G. job is important and needs to be filled or it is unimportant and can go years without being filled. The Democrats in the Senate seem to want it both ways just like they want it both ways on most issues.</p></blockquote>
<p>So let me get this straight SD, you&#8217;d rather see the spot filled quickly with perhaps a Gonzalez-lite rather than have the committee fully vet the appointee to be certain that his duty is to uphold the Constitution rather that this President?  <snark on>Heck why even have an approval process?  Obviously the president knows best &#038; his nominee needs no vetting.  </snark><snark off>  Good grief!</snark></p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>domajot, 

But the Democrats in the Senate are arguing that the U.S. does not need an A.G. until sometime in the middle of March 2009 and does not need an A.G. who is up to speed until the Summer of 2009.   Either the A.G. job is important and needs to be filled or it is unimportant and can go years without being filled.  The Democrats in the Senate seem to want it both ways just like they want it both ways on most issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>domajot, </p>
<p>But the Democrats in the Senate are arguing that the U.S. does not need an A.G. until sometime in the middle of March 2009 and does not need an A.G. who is up to speed until the Summer of 2009.   Either the A.G. job is important and needs to be filled or it is unimportant and can go years without being filled.  The Democrats in the Senate seem to want it both ways just like they want it both ways on most issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 01:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>domajot, we are sorry. Holly&#039;s note was not  aimed at your commentaries. Holly&#039;s note was accidentally posted here, but meant for a different article where it does belong.
I can see why it seemed to be a response to something you wrote. It&#039;s not. All is well.
dr.e.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>domajot, we are sorry. Holly&#8217;s note was not  aimed at your commentaries. Holly&#8217;s note was accidentally posted here, but meant for a different article where it does belong.<br />
I can see why it seemed to be a response to something you wrote. It&#8217;s not. All is well.<br />
dr.e.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15849/update-on-mukaseys-tortured-response/comment-page-1/#comment-103660</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 00:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The kind of AG needed is the issue, Holly.  
Evoking comparisons to what is not needed  can&#039;t be avoided, IMO.

I don&#039;t understand your reminders in light of the many pure fantasies among comments on many threads, detailing what the liberals &#039;might&#039; do or the conservatives &#039;might&#039; do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The kind of AG needed is the issue, Holly.<br />
Evoking comparisons to what is not needed  can&#8217;t be avoided, IMO.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand your reminders in light of the many pure fantasies among comments on many threads, detailing what the liberals &#8216;might&#8217; do or the conservatives &#8216;might&#8217; do.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The committee doesn&#039;t want another AG whose primary function is to protect the president from the consequences of breaking federal and international statutes. It appears that was Gonzales&#039; key role, as he left DOJ in total disarray, but covered Bush&#039;s rear very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The committee doesn&#8217;t want another AG whose primary function is to protect the president from the consequences of breaking federal and international statutes. It appears that was Gonzales&#8217; key role, as he left DOJ in total disarray, but covered Bush&#8217;s rear very well.</p>
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		<title>By: truflo</title>
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		<dc:creator>truflo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The committee has not defined what â€˜waterboardingâ€™ is, so they can not expect the nominee to make any judgements in regard to an undefined practice. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

A letter signed by all dems on the committee was sent to Mukasey in which they described, in minute detail, their understanding of what water boarding is. The question was simple- does what they describe constitute torture? The Geneva Convention has declared it as such, as has our own military and listening to his testimony to the committee I have no doubt Mukasey does too. He can&#039;t say this because to do so would mean President Bush could no longer claim that America does not torture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The committee has not defined what â€˜waterboardingâ€™ is, so they can not expect the nominee to make any judgements in regard to an undefined practice. </p></blockquote>
<p>A letter signed by all dems on the committee was sent to Mukasey in which they described, in minute detail, their understanding of what water boarding is. The question was simple- does what they describe constitute torture? The Geneva Convention has declared it as such, as has our own military and listening to his testimony to the committee I have no doubt Mukasey does too. He can&#8217;t say this because to do so would mean President Bush could no longer claim that America does not torture.</p>
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		<title>By: egrubs</title>
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		<dc:creator>egrubs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I find it odd that the Senate believes that the Attorney Generalâ€™s office is so important that is can be left unfilled for over 18 months.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s not as if it were filled for the two years prior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I find it odd that the Senate believes that the Attorney Generalâ€™s office is so important that is can be left unfilled for over 18 months.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not as if it were filled for the two years prior.</p>
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		<title>By: krit</title>
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		<dc:creator>krit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; for the Rs, â€œwould you allow waterboarding to save the life of your wife or childâ€ and for the Ds, â€œdo you condone tortureâ€. I think that the Rs have the upper hand with the public in their argument but am not sure that they can or will try to get their message out there enough to sway the public.&quot;

And your assumption is based on what exactly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; for the Rs, â€œwould you allow waterboarding to save the life of your wife or childâ€ and for the Ds, â€œdo you condone tortureâ€. I think that the Rs have the upper hand with the public in their argument but am not sure that they can or will try to get their message out there enough to sway the public.&#8221;</p>
<p>And your assumption is based on what exactly?</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD-

I find it odd that this most important post should be awarded on the President&#039;s say-so, without a clear understanding of where he stands on waterboarding.

Elections have consequences, but so does a hasty endorsement of a bad policy.

We landed in a very bad place because of abject acquiescence.
It has to stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD-</p>
<p>I find it odd that this most important post should be awarded on the President&#8217;s say-so, without a clear understanding of where he stands on waterboarding.</p>
<p>Elections have consequences, but so does a hasty endorsement of a bad policy.</p>
<p>We landed in a very bad place because of abject acquiescence.<br />
It has to stop.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it odd that the Senate believes that the Attorney General&#039;s office is so important that is can be left unfilled for over 18 months. 

If they vote down Mukasey&#039;s, I cannot see any accepting the job for the last 12 months of the Bush Administration. An acting AG will be left as a caretaker. 

I wonder if the Clinton, Edwards, and Obama would be willing to say who they would nominate since they believe that the jobs is so important.  My guess is that they would not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it odd that the Senate believes that the Attorney General&#8217;s office is so important that is can be left unfilled for over 18 months. </p>
<p>If they vote down Mukasey&#8217;s, I cannot see any accepting the job for the last 12 months of the Bush Administration. An acting AG will be left as a caretaker. </p>
<p>I wonder if the Clinton, Edwards, and Obama would be willing to say who they would nominate since they believe that the jobs is so important.  My guess is that they would not.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PWT,
&quot;to personally waterboard all the new arrivals&quot;
is not really relveant. when one can accomplish the same with the stroke of a pen on a document while starying  at a safe physical distance 

Waterboardint to save a wife&#039;s life is not relevant either, when the &#039;confession&#039; thus elicited is as likely to send aurthorities off in 10 wrong directions instead of the one right one.

The Republicans have what you call the upper hand by using illogical argumentation.  That so many fall for it is a sad commentary on the public&#039;s gullibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PWT,<br />
&#8220;to personally waterboard all the new arrivals&#8221;<br />
is not really relveant. when one can accomplish the same with the stroke of a pen on a document while starying  at a safe physical distance </p>
<p>Waterboardint to save a wife&#8217;s life is not relevant either, when the &#8216;confession&#8217; thus elicited is as likely to send aurthorities off in 10 wrong directions instead of the one right one.</p>
<p>The Republicans have what you call the upper hand by using illogical argumentation.  That so many fall for it is a sad commentary on the public&#8217;s gullibility.</p>
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		<title>By: PWT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And Iâ€™m guessing itâ€™s not some CIA officers he (and the administration) fears may be put in legal jeopardy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m guessing that the administration is protecting the VP from legal jeopardy for his frequent trips down to Guantanamo Bay to personally waterboard all the new arrivals.  Is that what you were intimating?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And Iâ€™m guessing itâ€™s not some CIA officers he (and the administration) fears may be put in legal jeopardy.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing that the administration is protecting the VP from legal jeopardy for his frequent trips down to Guantanamo Bay to personally waterboard all the new arrivals.  Is that what you were intimating?</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The White House has whined that Mukasey has been put in an untenable position,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They should know since they are the ones who put him there.

And I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s not some CIA officers he (and the administration) fears may be put in legal jeopardy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The White House has whined that Mukasey has been put in an untenable position,</p></blockquote>
<p>They should know since they are the ones who put him there.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s not some CIA officers he (and the administration) fears may be put in legal jeopardy.</p>
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		<title>By: PWT</title>
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		<dc:creator>PWT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The White House has whined that Mukasey has been put in an untenable position, and there indeed is some political grandstanding going on here.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that the longer this drags on, the better it will be for the nominee.  The committee has not defined what &#039;waterboarding&#039; is, so they can not expect the nominee to make any judgements in regard to an undefined practice.  

In fact, Mr. Reid gave a speech yesterday where he referred to the practice as &#039;water torture&#039; and was incredulous that Mr. Mukasey could not confirm that a practice known as &#039;water torture&#039; was not considered to be torture.  He corrected himself later in the speech.  

In the end, I think that this will be decided in the media by whichever side gets their question out there the most, for the Rs, &quot;would you allow waterboarding to save the life of your wife or child&quot; and for the Ds, &quot;do you condone torture&quot;.  I think that the Rs have the upper hand with the public in their argument but am not sure that they can or will try to get their message out there enough to sway the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The White House has whined that Mukasey has been put in an untenable position, and there indeed is some political grandstanding going on here.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that the longer this drags on, the better it will be for the nominee.  The committee has not defined what &#8216;waterboarding&#8217; is, so they can not expect the nominee to make any judgements in regard to an undefined practice.  </p>
<p>In fact, Mr. Reid gave a speech yesterday where he referred to the practice as &#8216;water torture&#8217; and was incredulous that Mr. Mukasey could not confirm that a practice known as &#8216;water torture&#8217; was not considered to be torture.  He corrected himself later in the speech.  </p>
<p>In the end, I think that this will be decided in the media by whichever side gets their question out there the most, for the Rs, &#8220;would you allow waterboarding to save the life of your wife or child&#8221; and for the Ds, &#8220;do you condone torture&#8221;.  I think that the Rs have the upper hand with the public in their argument but am not sure that they can or will try to get their message out there enough to sway the public.</p>
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