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		<title>By: gachies</title>
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		<dc:creator>gachies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.gachisites.com/" rel="nofollow">small business web design</a><br />You look great now&#8230;<br />I also thought about posting a shot of myself&#8230;but will wait, because now I realize that my weight and stress of it has caused a medical condition I have to take care of&#8230;you have been inspiring to me with the post and all!</p>
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		<title>By: Weight Loss Pills</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>childrens health care is very important then other health care because they are important</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>childrens health care is very important then other health care because they are important</p>
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		<title>By: Lung Cancer Reviewed &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Advanced cancer lung treatment</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Moderate Voice - host of illnesses including a cancer in remission, died after waging a courageous but futile battle against lung cancer. He had The president also suggested he would not be willing to sign other types of tax increases that Democrats have attached to More Lung Cancer News  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Moderate Voice &#8211; host of illnesses including a cancer in remission, died after waging a courageous but futile battle against lung cancer. He had The president also suggested he would not be willing to sign other types of tax increases that Democrats have attached to More Lung Cancer News  [...]</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: bob in fla</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob in fla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr. Bush. Now it&#039;s my turn. I am one of those low income smokers you are talking about who also has no health coverage &amp; can&#039;t get it.  If this bill passes, it will cost me 61c _+ the state sales tax on that of about 4c = 65c. a pack, or a price increase of about 30%. 

Guess what.  In spite of this, I support the bill because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.  Why is that so hard for you to understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr. Bush. Now it&#8217;s my turn. I am one of those low income smokers you are talking about who also has no health coverage &#038; can&#8217;t get it.  If this bill passes, it will cost me 61c _+ the state sales tax on that of about 4c = 65c. a pack, or a price increase of about 30%. </p>
<p>Guess what.  In spite of this, I support the bill because IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.  Why is that so hard for you to understand?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why not start a campaign to increase lard consumption among the poor, or, better yet, alcohol consumption?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In addition to the fear of junk lawsuits, it&#039;s commonly anticipated that increased taxes on alcohol and a tax someday on fat are taxes the Democrats would be happy to levy.

Y&#039;all can behave as children and be successful at your typical appeals to emotion (rather than to reason) all you want, but the tax is a bad idea, and what happens if consumption and tax revenue decline?

The tax, in fact, is one defect in the new bill as well as in the old bill.  It is impossible for you to argue the fact away.  (Well, maybe you can convince yourselves you can, but you cannot and will not.)

A valid scheme for sumptuary (&quot;sin&quot;) taxes on tobacco and alcohol would be to pay specifically for diseases attributable to the use of these substances, and would be ideally at the level that matches the costs the use of these substances to society.  It&#039;s not at all a suitable revenue source for a general program like this (which still, as has always been true, has never been only about children).

The new bill deserves a veto, one reason for which is this tax.  Let&#039;s see a real compromise from the Democrats next time.

(the latest on S-CHIP &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=48553&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_hpolicy.cfm#48561&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why not start a campaign to increase lard consumption among the poor, or, better yet, alcohol consumption?</p></blockquote>
<p>In addition to the fear of junk lawsuits, it&#8217;s commonly anticipated that increased taxes on alcohol and a tax someday on fat are taxes the Democrats would be happy to levy.</p>
<p>Y&#8217;all can behave as children and be successful at your typical appeals to emotion (rather than to reason) all you want, but the tax is a bad idea, and what happens if consumption and tax revenue decline?</p>
<p>The tax, in fact, is one defect in the new bill as well as in the old bill.  It is impossible for you to argue the fact away.  (Well, maybe you can convince yourselves you can, but you cannot and will not.)</p>
<p>A valid scheme for sumptuary (&#8221;sin&#8221;) taxes on tobacco and alcohol would be to pay specifically for diseases attributable to the use of these substances, and would be ideally at the level that matches the costs the use of these substances to society.  It&#8217;s not at all a suitable revenue source for a general program like this (which still, as has always been true, has never been only about children).</p>
<p>The new bill deserves a veto, one reason for which is this tax.  Let&#8217;s see a real compromise from the Democrats next time.</p>
<p>(the latest on S-CHIP <a href="http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?DR_ID=48553" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_hpolicy.cfm#48561" rel="nofollow">here</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: krit</title>
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		<dc:creator>krit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry but to me the entire Bush administration agenda has been about pandering to big donors and special interests.  Taking it to the extreme of denying children healthcare and interfering in ongoing litigation so that your big donor doesn&#039;t have to pay a big penalty really is as low as they go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry but to me the entire Bush administration agenda has been about pandering to big donors and special interests.  Taking it to the extreme of denying children healthcare and interfering in ongoing litigation so that your big donor doesn&#8217;t have to pay a big penalty really is as low as they go.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!

Ridiculous argumentation by Bush and his suppoeters!

A concern for the poor would make sense if there was a proposed tax on milk, bread or meat.  But tobacco?!?  
Why not start a campaign to increase lard consumption among the poor, or, better yet, alcohol consumption?

BTW, I workded it out, and in NYC, a tax increase of 10%  would be the equivalent of having to decrease cigarette consumption by about 3 cigarettes a week.
What a sacrifice  the poor would be making.

The logic here is on the same level as what led to the fake FEMA news conference.  There is no logic and no excuse.  There is only shabby pandering to special interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!</p>
<p>Ridiculous argumentation by Bush and his suppoeters!</p>
<p>A concern for the poor would make sense if there was a proposed tax on milk, bread or meat.  But tobacco?!?<br />
Why not start a campaign to increase lard consumption among the poor, or, better yet, alcohol consumption?</p>
<p>BTW, I workded it out, and in NYC, a tax increase of 10%  would be the equivalent of having to decrease cigarette consumption by about 3 cigarettes a week.<br />
What a sacrifice  the poor would be making.</p>
<p>The logic here is on the same level as what led to the fake FEMA news conference.  There is no logic and no excuse.  There is only shabby pandering to special interests.</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post!! Thanks for all the info!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!! Thanks for all the info!</p>
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		<title>By: krit</title>
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		<dc:creator>krit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Joe, great post and background information.  I haven&#039;t seen anything like it in the MSM coverage- which pretty much indicates the sad state of journalism. So much has been written about this issue- but who has really pinpointed Bush&#039;s real motivation by looking at his history of unqualified support of and by the tobacco industry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Joe, great post and background information.  I haven&#8217;t seen anything like it in the MSM coverage- which pretty much indicates the sad state of journalism. So much has been written about this issue- but who has really pinpointed Bush&#8217;s real motivation by looking at his history of unqualified support of and by the tobacco industry?</p>
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		<title>By: krit</title>
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		<dc:creator>krit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Democrats and their GOP allies need to emphasize Bush&#039;s ties to big tobacco to galvanize public opinion. Talk radio, as usual is backing Bush all the way, saying that the tobacco tax unfairly affects the poor- who smoke at a greater rate than the middle and upper classes.  Its sad to see so many who support Bush&#039;s position choosing this priority over families struggling to provide healthcare to children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats and their GOP allies need to emphasize Bush&#8217;s ties to big tobacco to galvanize public opinion. Talk radio, as usual is backing Bush all the way, saying that the tobacco tax unfairly affects the poor- who smoke at a greater rate than the middle and upper classes.  Its sad to see so many who support Bush&#8217;s position choosing this priority over families struggling to provide healthcare to children.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we can&#039;t at least reap a positive outcome out of these death merchants, then those who profit from them should face karmic justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can&#8217;t at least reap a positive outcome out of these death merchants, then those who profit from them should face karmic justice.</p>
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