Comments on: Is Condi Rice The Worst Or What? http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:20:13 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: All About Florida » Blog Archive » will rogers quotes diplomacy http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-103916 All About Florida » Blog Archive » will rogers quotes diplomacy Sat, 03 Nov 2007 19:08:13 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-103916 [...] The Moderate Voice - Great at Debussy, but how about diplomacy? Has there been a worse secretary of state in the last five decades than Condoleezza Rice? … 10) Quotes from material appearing on The Moderate Voice with … Read more [...] [...] The Moderate Voice – Great at Debussy, but how about diplomacy? Has there been a worse secretary of state in the last five decades than Condoleezza Rice? … 10) Quotes from material appearing on The Moderate Voice with … Read more [...]

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-103020 DLS Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:44:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-103020 <blockquote>Please explain why Condo isn’t a bad SoS and WTF Karen Hughes is doing. I give Condo kudos for her intellect, but KH is a joke. </blockquote> Well, her intellect is fine, as you already note, and she handles her job fine. She's even willing to pursue (and cram down Israel's throat) the Road Map of the Quartet (*gag* what an "affected" as well as elitist name for the four parties), so lefties really can't complain (honestly) all that much, though they probably are upset that she is critical of the terrorist government of Iran. Shaun was simply parroting his Bush-bashing lines once again. (I join the others who are concerned what he will be able to do once Bush is replaced in 2009. I'm not certain how great a role Hughes plays in this administration, but certainly she's a long-term insider who may be engaged in frequent damage control (rather than PR struggles, which are left to Perino, and for that matter to Rice as well when it comes to foreign policy).

Please explain why Condo isn’t a bad SoS and WTF Karen Hughes is doing. I give Condo kudos for her intellect, but KH is a joke.

Well, her intellect is fine, as you already note, and she handles her job fine. She’s even willing to pursue (and cram down Israel’s throat) the Road Map of the Quartet (*gag* what an “affected” as well as elitist name for the four parties), so lefties really can’t complain (honestly) all that much, though they probably are upset that she is critical of the terrorist government of Iran. Shaun was simply parroting his Bush-bashing lines once again. (I join the others who are concerned what he will be able to do once Bush is replaced in 2009.

I’m not certain how great a role Hughes plays in this administration, but certainly she’s a long-term insider who may be engaged in frequent damage control (rather than PR struggles, which are left to Perino, and for that matter to Rice as well when it comes to foreign policy).

]]> By: domajot http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102992 domajot Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:50:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102992 I think Condi has adjusted her position, but it comes too late. Plus, she is still prone to speak in the tone deaf manner that Bush uses. Her words during the first stage of the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict in Lebanon (the dawn of a new world) did more to stiffen Hezbollah's resolve and standing among Muslims than any encouragement from Muslim leaders. She still speaks in the same preachy and talking-down-to way: they must do this, they need to do that. Sounding superior and tough does not make you superior and tough. It just makes the other guy want to go one better in both superiority and toughness. We desperately need to reintroduce both diplomacy and statesmanship in the language of Washington. Condi does not seem to be fully up to it. I think Condi has adjusted her position, but it comes too late. Plus, she is still prone to speak in the tone deaf manner that Bush uses.

Her words during the first stage of the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict in Lebanon (the dawn of a new world) did more to stiffen Hezbollah’s resolve and standing among Muslims than any encouragement from Muslim leaders.

She still speaks in the same preachy and talking-down-to way: they must do this, they need to do that. Sounding superior and tough does not make you superior and tough. It just makes the other guy want to go one better in both superiority and toughness.

We desperately need to reintroduce both diplomacy and statesmanship in the language of Washington.
Condi does not seem to be fully up to it.

]]> By: krit http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102989 krit Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:17:29 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102989 The comparison demeans Carter. The comparison demeans Carter.

]]> By: Davebo http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102984 Davebo Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:47:25 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102984 Look, Condi will be a key asset to us when we begin our negotiations with the USSR. Just wait... Look, Condi will be a key asset to us when we begin our negotiations with the USSR.

Just wait…

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102982 Rudi Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:36:21 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102982 DLS - Please explain why Condo isn't a bad SoS and WTF Karen Hughes is doing. I give Condo kudos for her intellect, but KH is a joke. She is neither an intellect nor competent. I compare Condo to Carter, both are bad executives at a government level. DLS – Please explain why Condo isn’t a bad SoS and WTF Karen Hughes is doing. I give Condo kudos for her intellect, but KH is a joke. She is neither an intellect nor competent. I compare Condo to Carter, both are bad executives at a government level.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102979 DLS Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:55:17 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102979 *squawk* Bush people bad, Bush people bad! *squawk* Bad, bad! *squawk* *squawk* Bush people bad, Bush people bad! *squawk* Bad, bad! *squawk*

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102970 Rudi Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:58:53 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102970 Is Condo's job performance nearly as bad as Karen Hughes? Now KH is a national/international disgrace compared to Condo's ineffectiveness. Is Condo’s job performance nearly as bad as Karen Hughes? Now KH is a national/international disgrace compared to Condo’s ineffectiveness.

]]> By: Rudi http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102969 Rudi Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:48:51 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102969 Maybe Condo doesn't have the personality and leadership to be an effective SoS. She maybe like Carter, an intellectual in over her head without the forcefullness(sp) to push through her/his agenda. Both are more suited for a university than foreign affairs. Maybe Condo doesn’t have the personality and leadership to be an effective SoS. She maybe like Carter, an intellectual in over her head without the forcefullness(sp) to push through her/his agenda. Both are more suited for a university than foreign affairs.

]]> By: Rainier http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102966 Rainier Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:41:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102966 Well, from what it looks like, <a href="http://repptide.com/commenting.php?value=472" rel="nofollow">Condi doesn't seem very popular or at least very well-liked</a>. I guess any figure tied to the administration suffers from the 'halo effect' of Bush's personal approval ratings. Well, from what it looks like, Condi doesn’t seem very popular or at least very well-liked. I guess any figure tied to the administration suffers from the ‘halo effect’ of Bush’s personal approval ratings.

]]> By: krit http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102962 krit Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:27:40 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102962 Condi has been hamstrung by Cheney, Addington and Bolton- -who also contributed to the ineffectiveness of Colin Powell in Bush's first term.There is no clarity to our foreign policy-just competing interests btwn those who favor force and consider diplomacy appeasement, and those who only want force as a last resort. I think Condi and Powell are in the latter group, but Cheney has been more influential with Bush. Condi has been hamstrung by Cheney, Addington and Bolton- -who also contributed to the ineffectiveness of Colin Powell in Bush’s first term.There is no clarity to our foreign policy-just competing interests btwn those who favor force and consider diplomacy appeasement, and those who only want force as a last resort. I think Condi and Powell are in the latter group, but Cheney has been more influential with Bush.

]]> By: grognard http://themoderatevoice.com/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/comment-page-1/#comment-102960 grognard Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:23:34 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/condoleezza-rice/15743/is-condi-rice-the-worst-or-what/#comment-102960 ‘bellicosity, arrogance“ “ willful naivete” “wisdomless sycophant” Gee, why not just call her a Nazi and be done with it, oh wait I think you already did, never mind. ‘bellicosity, arrogance“ “ willful naivete” “wisdomless sycophant”
Gee, why not just call her a Nazi and be done with it, oh wait I think you already did, never mind.

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