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		<title>By: connectab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; S-CHIP: Battle Lost, But On To the War</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15656/s-chip-a-battle-lost-but-on-to-the-war/comment-page-1/#comment-102570</link>
		<dc:creator>connectab &#187; Blog Archive &#187; S-CHIP: Battle Lost, But On To the War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Boink Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boink Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Battle Lost, But On To the War  Shaun Mullen placed an observative post today on S-CHIP: Battle Lost, But On To the WarHere&#8217;s a quick [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15656/s-chip-a-battle-lost-but-on-to-the-war/comment-page-1/#comment-102353</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;the prescription drug plan was confusing and was more of a windfall to pharmeceutical companies, and a bribe to get Seniors to vote for Bush than anything else&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If people were buying drugs under this benefit that they weren&#039;t buying before, yes, it&#039;s a windfall.  (The decision not to negotiate drug prices, which nobody has the right to expect, does not constitute a windfall.)  Who else could see this as a windfall?  Why, employers who dropped drug coverage for their retirees once this drug benefit was enacted, that&#039;s who.

The drug benefit, &quot;doughnut hole&quot; blemish and all, has been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/25/AR2006112500919.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more successful &lt;/a&gt;than Democratic and liberal critics anticipated, and which they must concede.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>the prescription drug plan was confusing and was more of a windfall to pharmeceutical companies, and a bribe to get Seniors to vote for Bush than anything else</p></blockquote>
<p>If people were buying drugs under this benefit that they weren&#8217;t buying before, yes, it&#8217;s a windfall.  (The decision not to negotiate drug prices, which nobody has the right to expect, does not constitute a windfall.)  Who else could see this as a windfall?  Why, employers who dropped drug coverage for their retirees once this drug benefit was enacted, that&#8217;s who.</p>
<p>The drug benefit, &#8220;doughnut hole&#8221; blemish and all, has been <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/25/AR2006112500919.html" rel="nofollow">more successful </a>than Democratic and liberal critics anticipated, and which they must concede.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15656/s-chip-a-battle-lost-but-on-to-the-war/comment-page-1/#comment-102352</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Heâ€™s totally the wrong person to talk about fiscal responsibility &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Up to now he&#039;s been a big spender, no doubt.  (a.k.a. &quot;compassionate conservative&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Heâ€™s totally the wrong person to talk about fiscal responsibility </p></blockquote>
<p>Up to now he&#8217;s been a big spender, no doubt.  (a.k.a. &#8220;compassionate conservative&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: krit</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15656/s-chip-a-battle-lost-but-on-to-the-war/comment-page-1/#comment-102347</link>
		<dc:creator>krit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying that the Democrats aren&#039;t in favor of domestic programs, but the prescription drug plan was confusing and was more of a windfall to pharmeceutical companies, and a bribe to get Seniors to vote for Bush than  anything else. Bush then enacted tax cuts on top of the drug plan, which was totally irresponsible, because it ate up all of the surplus left by his predecessor. His war spending is being left for the next generation to pay as the Chinese own the bonds that are financing it. He&#039;s totally the wrong person to talk about fiscal responsibility and ends up looking purely partisan- which he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the Democrats aren&#8217;t in favor of domestic programs, but the prescription drug plan was confusing and was more of a windfall to pharmeceutical companies, and a bribe to get Seniors to vote for Bush than  anything else. Bush then enacted tax cuts on top of the drug plan, which was totally irresponsible, because it ate up all of the surplus left by his predecessor. His war spending is being left for the next generation to pay as the Chinese own the bonds that are financing it. He&#8217;s totally the wrong person to talk about fiscal responsibility and ends up looking purely partisan- which he is.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15656/s-chip-a-battle-lost-but-on-to-the-war/comment-page-1/#comment-102344</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 23:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, massive expansion of entitlements like the prescription drug benefit passed by the GOP? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

1) Plenty of people have criticized this, the largest expansion of federal entitlements since the introduction of Medicare.  Even the way it was done has been criticized: &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=2662&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It&#039;s hard to remember when more people violated more stated principles to enact such an unprincipled law&lt;/a&gt;.&quot;

2) What criticism have the Democrats typically made about this benefit?  That it&#039;s not good enough (and more specific criticisms such as regarding the &quot;doughnut hole&quot; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pharmacist.com/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&amp;CONTENTID=11331&amp;TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;payments to pharmacies&lt;/a&gt;). 

Or, as I said,

&lt;blockquote&gt;What is regrettable is that often the Republicans are fundamentally in agreement with Big Government, simply not as big as what the Democrats seek.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, massive expansion of entitlements like the prescription drug benefit passed by the GOP? </p></blockquote>
<p>1) Plenty of people have criticized this, the largest expansion of federal entitlements since the introduction of Medicare.  Even the way it was done has been criticized: &#8220;<a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=2662" rel="nofollow">It&#8217;s hard to remember when more people violated more stated principles to enact such an unprincipled law</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>2) What criticism have the Democrats typically made about this benefit?  That it&#8217;s not good enough (and more specific criticisms such as regarding the &#8220;doughnut hole&#8221; and <a href="http://www.pharmacist.com/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&#038;CONTENTID=11331&#038;TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm" rel="nofollow">payments to pharmacies</a>). </p>
<p>Or, as I said,</p>
<blockquote><p>What is regrettable is that often the Republicans are fundamentally in agreement with Big Government, simply not as big as what the Democrats seek.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: krit</title>
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		<dc:creator>krit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD- Longhornbob nailed it.</description>
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		<title>By: longhornbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>longhornbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD said &quot;Maybe the next time around, the Democrats can explain how they plan to have massive expansions of entitlement programs while maintain an open border, unlimited immigration program&quot;.

So, massive expansion of entitlements like the prescription drug benefit passed by the GOP?  The hypocrisy of the GOP is astonishing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD said &#8220;Maybe the next time around, the Democrats can explain how they plan to have massive expansions of entitlement programs while maintain an open border, unlimited immigration program&#8221;.</p>
<p>So, massive expansion of entitlements like the prescription drug benefit passed by the GOP?  The hypocrisy of the GOP is astonishing.</p>
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		<title>By: University Update - White House - S-CHIP: Battle Lost, But On To the War</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15656/s-chip-a-battle-lost-but-on-to-the-war/comment-page-1/#comment-102318</link>
		<dc:creator>University Update - White House - S-CHIP: Battle Lost, But On To the War</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mine                           S-CHIP: Battle Lost, But On To the War &#187;  This Summary is from an article posted at The Moderate Voice Â» Domestic and international news [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15656/s-chip-a-battle-lost-but-on-to-the-war/comment-page-1/#comment-102317</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will the bill&#039;s proponents, notably those using this Web site, &lt;strong&gt;grow up&lt;/strong&gt; now?  

Will the defects in the bill be removed or reduced?

Will the cost increase for the bill be reduced?

* * *

Superdestroyer:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe the next time around, the Democrats can explain how they plan to have massive expansions of entitlement programs while maintain an open border, unlimited immigration program? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If they were honest, they would admit it is to get additional exploitee votes.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The other question to answer is with the coming Democratic party dominance of government, why should anyone want to start a career in health care?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I dispute your assumption of permanent eventual Democratic dominance; Americans have rejected this, as demonstrated with the election of Ronald Reagan (whom the losers on the Left loathed often as much as they loathe Bush&#039;s being elected twice in contemporary times).  Americans are probably going to want federal government health care for everybody in the long run, and there is a growing dependency as well as entitlement problem insofar as people and their relationship to government is concerned, but people continue to become more conservative normally as they grow older and more wise, and our population is aging.

What is regrettable is that often the Republicans are fundamentally in agreement with Big Government, simply not as big as what the Democrats seek.

As to problems with health care professionals in the future, I agree wholeheartedly.  It&#039;s not just the eventual cost-cutting that we already have seen in some cases*.  There will be massive cost-cutting in later years, combined with innumerable regulations and yes, bureaucracy (it will not go away when for-profit medicine goes away).  Meanwhile, if the health care pros are kept nominally (and legally) private, they remain subject to junk-lawsuit abuse.  (In fact, under any federal-or-state-government-monopoly &quot;single-payer&quot; [sic] system, the employees have the right to sue for federal government worker benefits as well as sovereign immunity from lawsuits, because if private provision of services that duplicate government benefits are prohibited, these people are in fact employees of government.)

 * I&#039;m aware of this in particular for dialysis payments and payments to doctors by Medicare in general; in addition, Congress wants to force employers to pay for an additional year of dialysis before transferring responsibility to Medicare, while at the same time transplant-related immunosuppression medications are only covered for pre-retirement-age patients for three years.  The #1 cause of graft failure is failure to follow the immunosuppression regimen, and the #1 reason for failure is the high cost, which can exceed $5000 monthly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will the bill&#8217;s proponents, notably those using this Web site, <strong>grow up</strong> now?  </p>
<p>Will the defects in the bill be removed or reduced?</p>
<p>Will the cost increase for the bill be reduced?</p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>Superdestroyer:</p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe the next time around, the Democrats can explain how they plan to have massive expansions of entitlement programs while maintain an open border, unlimited immigration program? </p></blockquote>
<p>If they were honest, they would admit it is to get additional exploitee votes.</p>
<blockquote><p>The other question to answer is with the coming Democratic party dominance of government, why should anyone want to start a career in health care?</p></blockquote>
<p>I dispute your assumption of permanent eventual Democratic dominance; Americans have rejected this, as demonstrated with the election of Ronald Reagan (whom the losers on the Left loathed often as much as they loathe Bush&#8217;s being elected twice in contemporary times).  Americans are probably going to want federal government health care for everybody in the long run, and there is a growing dependency as well as entitlement problem insofar as people and their relationship to government is concerned, but people continue to become more conservative normally as they grow older and more wise, and our population is aging.</p>
<p>What is regrettable is that often the Republicans are fundamentally in agreement with Big Government, simply not as big as what the Democrats seek.</p>
<p>As to problems with health care professionals in the future, I agree wholeheartedly.  It&#8217;s not just the eventual cost-cutting that we already have seen in some cases*.  There will be massive cost-cutting in later years, combined with innumerable regulations and yes, bureaucracy (it will not go away when for-profit medicine goes away).  Meanwhile, if the health care pros are kept nominally (and legally) private, they remain subject to junk-lawsuit abuse.  (In fact, under any federal-or-state-government-monopoly &#8220;single-payer&#8221; [sic] system, the employees have the right to sue for federal government worker benefits as well as sovereign immunity from lawsuits, because if private provision of services that duplicate government benefits are prohibited, these people are in fact employees of government.)</p>
<p> * I&#8217;m aware of this in particular for dialysis payments and payments to doctors by Medicare in general; in addition, Congress wants to force employers to pay for an additional year of dialysis before transferring responsibility to Medicare, while at the same time transplant-related immunosuppression medications are only covered for pre-retirement-age patients for three years.  The #1 cause of graft failure is failure to follow the immunosuppression regimen, and the #1 reason for failure is the high cost, which can exceed $5000 monthly.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Mullen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Mullen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Entropy:&lt;/em&gt;

A fair question and one that the Democratic leadership will be answering in the next few days since the current funding extension for the program expires in mid-November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Entropy:</em></p>
<p>A fair question and one that the Democratic leadership will be answering in the next few days since the current funding extension for the program expires in mid-November.</p>
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		<title>By: Entropy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Entropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is, will the congress pass a bill that Bush will sign, or will they use it as another club to beat him and Republicans with?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is, will the congress pass a bill that Bush will sign, or will they use it as another club to beat him and Republicans with?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 18:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD Many legal immigrants become doctors here in the US. Should we block those &quot;brown skinned people&quot;. High risk surgical doctors are having problems, but cardiologists and plastic surgeons are becoming millionaires while doing unnecessary surgery. Why become an engineer or nurse when a business degree is easier and pays more. Free market rules ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD Many legal immigrants become doctors here in the US. Should we block those &#8220;brown skinned people&#8221;. High risk surgical doctors are having problems, but cardiologists and plastic surgeons are becoming millionaires while doing unnecessary surgery. Why become an engineer or nurse when a business degree is easier and pays more. Free market rules &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 17:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the next time around, the Democrats can explain how they plan to have massive expansions of entitlement programs while maintain an open border, unlimited immigration program? 

The other question to answer is with the coming Democratic party dominance of government, why should anyone want to start a career in health care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the next time around, the Democrats can explain how they plan to have massive expansions of entitlement programs while maintain an open border, unlimited immigration program? </p>
<p>The other question to answer is with the coming Democratic party dominance of government, why should anyone want to start a career in health care?</p>
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