agreed!

I’d some days, say ten, and one-thousand

I think re RM, in another ten years perhaps earlier the entire thing will be reopened and then we will see. There’s a dearth of first order info, with much “so and so told so and so that Stoll said
and that Rigoberta said… My sense is someone someday will write on it again from an aerial view.

I like your first name, very beautiful symbolic name.

dr.r

And from my understanding, Stoll’s criticism of her account was not as harsh as some have portrayed it- that his researched actually verified most of the substantive parts of her book.

Plus, the Nobel committee has said that her award was not for the book itself, but for her later work in helping refugees.

I do think that there are some elements of the whole saga that tend to stir up controversy (a story that was truthy but perhaps not altogether true- and the relative ease with which people from various perspectives would then either believe the story in it’s entirety or look at it with a fine toothed comb to discredit it). As usual, there are usually at least three sides to every story.

Air America Host Randi Rhodes did not get mugged. But in a few short hours a story that she did get mugged, took off like wildfire across the blogosphere with bloggers on both flying off the handle.
Air America radio host Randi Rhodes is temporarily o…

just a mention here: just last week, I was speaking with persons who work with several of the peace prize winners and asked them about that matter. Apparently there was a man who made a great deal of money attempting to impugn RM without, as I understand it, speaking with others
intimately connected to her, her family or the circumstances.

My inveriewee told me the man has been discredited in several ways. I was not writing about RM’s story however, but about the Burmese Peace Prize recipient, so I did not pursue details. But now reading that the old slur is still thought to be true by some still, perhaps looking into the matter of the man, ought be a story for another time.

just .02 here. about left and right bashing. Sometimes, I think it is my/our fault for not asking good enough questions or putting out interesting enough thoughts to give people something else to focus on.

At the same time, being 6 months new to blogging and not sure of the exact lay of the land yet, I’d also venture to say that sometimes it seems like a cowlick, no matter what I say or do, no matter how cogent, gentle, harsh, direct, subtley (however you spell that word) or otherwise make a point, some peeps jump right back to ‘first position’ to their favorite basher or bashee philosophy.

On the other hand, as I hope you know from my comments how much I and others of my cobloggers appreciate all the things I/we learn from you, and we subsequently are encouraged to keep trying to ‘fight the good fight’, and find in agreement often with those who comment.

That part of blogging is so good and most of the time, also reliable.

I hold out hope of drawing people into deeper discussions, but also know that thinking has become a luxury in our world, for it takes time, and people surrounding who will allow you to say /write, first second and third draft forms to get to what you really think… beyond the intiial irritation or knee-jerk tic.

I think tmv is a place for that kind of thinking, and all are warmly welcomed to ’say whatever’ but also to try to see/ say deeper… and see what they really think, and how many useful ways there can be to usefully transcribe our complicated, i mean really really complicated world (s).

For some of us, it’s plural. lol

dr.e

Good synopsis of the Rigoberta Menchu “controversy”

The researcher who discovered “inconsistencies” even agreed that her story was essentially true and that news stories about the problems he found were sensationalized. She kept her Nobel as none of the “inconsistencies” challenged the veracity of the story as a whole. The link relates some of the issues with the story and some of Rigoberta’s responses. Of course now a story that even the researcher with questions agreed was an accurate account of this time period in Guatemala has become a “fictional account” at the hands of djman1141 who spent how much time in Guatemala during this time or did how much research on what he labeled a fictional account?
By the way, I had never heard of Menchu until I read that post and it took about 20 minutes and the ability to use google to gather some relevant facts.

It has gone from a focus of fact-checking to “everyone is a self-declared expert” on everything.

Case in point……..where’s the bloggers that are digging behind the scenes to get the real scoop instead of being content to just rehash speculation that, if you think about it, accomplishes nothing but using up bandwidth.

We could be in for a long list of who did what on the Left anf on Right, since the Left and Right were invented.

Remember Rigoberta Menchu who won a Nobel Peace Prize for fictional police-state accounts she presented as facts. SteveS is already there

False story, but accurate… because every conservative is a potential mugger. If they haven’t yet turned to beating up their critics, it’s just a matter of time.

“Suppose one reads a story of filthy atrocities in the paper. Then suppose that something turns up suggesting that the story might not be quite true, or not quite so bad as it was made out. Is one’s first feeling, ‘Thank God, even they aren’t so bad as that,” or is it a feeling of disappointment, and even a determination to cling to the first story for the sheer pleasure of thinking your enemies as bad as possible? If it is the second then it is, I am afraid, the first step in a process which, if allowed to the end, will make us into devils. You see, one is beginning to wish that black was a little blacker. If we give that wish its head, later on we shall wish to see grey as black, and then to see white itself as black.”

Don’t go off half cocked. It’s not absolutely necessary to comment on any event within 10 minutes of it’s occurance.