<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Civil Liberties and the Mentally Ill: The New Concept of &#8216;Mental Health Courts&#8217;</title>
	<atom:link href="http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/</link>
	<description>An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 17:15:31 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: linmacha</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-102819</link>
		<dc:creator>linmacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-102819</guid>
		<description>Thank you for your prayers. I am constantly aware of God&#039;s grace in every situation.  

I posted my story to put a personal face on this issue. I know it is not just my own story but that of many mothers... 

I came across a quote from the Talmud recently:  &quot;The virtue of angels is that they cannot deteriorate; their flaw is that they cannot improve. The flaw of humans is that they can deteriorate; and their virtue is that they can improve.&quot;

Thanking heavens that we humans can and do  improve...and that complete healing is possible in this flawed and rocky world.

linmacha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your prayers. I am constantly aware of God&#8217;s grace in every situation.  </p>
<p>I posted my story to put a personal face on this issue. I know it is not just my own story but that of many mothers&#8230; </p>
<p>I came across a quote from the Talmud recently:  &#8220;The virtue of angels is that they cannot deteriorate; their flaw is that they cannot improve. The flaw of humans is that they can deteriorate; and their virtue is that they can improve.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanking heavens that we humans can and do  improve&#8230;and that complete healing is possible in this flawed and rocky world.</p>
<p>linmacha</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-102457</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-102457</guid>
		<description>linmacha; I am glad to hear your son is doing better; I&#039;ll hold you both in my prayers.
dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>linmacha; I am glad to hear your son is doing better; I&#8217;ll hold you both in my prayers.<br />
dr.e</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: linmacha</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-102068</link>
		<dc:creator>linmacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-102068</guid>
		<description>The misery and heartbreak of having a mentally ill adult child is compounded when the only essential response in the community is to incarcerate them. My son wandered the streets - delusional -  but lived with me for a few years during that time. I don&#039;t remember how long this time was (I&#039;ve tried to forget it), but he suffered a psychotic break when we were alone on Christmas eve one year. 

As a therapist I knew what I was witnessing, and I was totally alone in dealing with it.  Eventually when his illness began to be inflicted on me and I questioned that I could continue on with my own life I had to kick him out of the house. Then he broke windows to come back inside. I called for help, and instead of being hospitalized he was arrested. He spent months in jail, frankly psychotic, without medication. His father, who worked in another city in a jail... Was able to advocate for him to receive needed medications and eventually he was released. But he then had a criminal record. 

How many people&#039;s children did I help into the hospital in my career as a mental health therapist? 

Why was my son made into a criminal when he could have been given humane medical care, medication, and his psychosis brought under control within weeks? I advocated for him to be a part of the mental health court, and my son was &quot;assessed&quot; and they labelled him as sociopathic. I am certain he was psychotic when he was assessed, rendering their judgement subject to much question. He told me later that he did not bathe more than twice during the time he was incarcerated. 

Conveniently enough, the mental health courts in my community do not accept people whom they assess as sociopathic. He has never been in trouble with the law whatsoever other than when his illness caused me to draw a boundary for self-preservation. He is a gifted musician and has been able to reconnect with many friends who love him and who knew him before his illness, and at his worst.

The response of the community to the person who is affected has wide and far-reaching ripple effects which include the family members. I am happy to say that today life is improving and better (largely due to relatively open and free access to very expensive medications through the community mental health system) but the painful mantle of being labelled criminal and locked away is still with my son. 

I remember as a young girl reading the biography of Dorothea Dix and how she championed the cause of the mentally ill of her era who were chained and locked away and treated as less than human. Her humanity inspired me to help others... And of course to help myself.

The county jail here dispenses more psychotropic meds than any other organization in this state. Have we progressed at all? 

linmacha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The misery and heartbreak of having a mentally ill adult child is compounded when the only essential response in the community is to incarcerate them. My son wandered the streets &#8211; delusional &#8211;  but lived with me for a few years during that time. I don&#8217;t remember how long this time was (I&#8217;ve tried to forget it), but he suffered a psychotic break when we were alone on Christmas eve one year. </p>
<p>As a therapist I knew what I was witnessing, and I was totally alone in dealing with it.  Eventually when his illness began to be inflicted on me and I questioned that I could continue on with my own life I had to kick him out of the house. Then he broke windows to come back inside. I called for help, and instead of being hospitalized he was arrested. He spent months in jail, frankly psychotic, without medication. His father, who worked in another city in a jail&#8230; Was able to advocate for him to receive needed medications and eventually he was released. But he then had a criminal record. </p>
<p>How many people&#8217;s children did I help into the hospital in my career as a mental health therapist? </p>
<p>Why was my son made into a criminal when he could have been given humane medical care, medication, and his psychosis brought under control within weeks? I advocated for him to be a part of the mental health court, and my son was &#8220;assessed&#8221; and they labelled him as sociopathic. I am certain he was psychotic when he was assessed, rendering their judgement subject to much question. He told me later that he did not bathe more than twice during the time he was incarcerated. </p>
<p>Conveniently enough, the mental health courts in my community do not accept people whom they assess as sociopathic. He has never been in trouble with the law whatsoever other than when his illness caused me to draw a boundary for self-preservation. He is a gifted musician and has been able to reconnect with many friends who love him and who knew him before his illness, and at his worst.</p>
<p>The response of the community to the person who is affected has wide and far-reaching ripple effects which include the family members. I am happy to say that today life is improving and better (largely due to relatively open and free access to very expensive medications through the community mental health system) but the painful mantle of being labelled criminal and locked away is still with my son. </p>
<p>I remember as a young girl reading the biography of Dorothea Dix and how she championed the cause of the mentally ill of her era who were chained and locked away and treated as less than human. Her humanity inspired me to help others&#8230; And of course to help myself.</p>
<p>The county jail here dispenses more psychotropic meds than any other organization in this state. Have we progressed at all? </p>
<p>linmacha</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-102067</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-102067</guid>
		<description>stolios, from your lips to God&#039;s ears: &quot;training, and creating greater awareness of mental health issues in the entirety of the criminal justice system, is an idea for which the time has come.&quot; I aslo appreciate your p oint of view about how the courts in terms of process and procedure are living anachronistically. (You spell it, I cant, but you know what I mean; it&#039;s 1957 in a lot of courtrooms today. But, how, how how? That&#039;s the question I have for &lt;em&gt;how&lt;/em&gt; to gain access to future lawyers, future judges, future court staff to &#039;train&#039; them. 

Jilly D: I&#039;ll go look. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stolios, from your lips to God&#8217;s ears: &#8220;training, and creating greater awareness of mental health issues in the entirety of the criminal justice system, is an idea for which the time has come.&#8221; I aslo appreciate your p oint of view about how the courts in terms of process and procedure are living anachronistically. (You spell it, I cant, but you know what I mean; it&#8217;s 1957 in a lot of courtrooms today. But, how, how how? That&#8217;s the question I have for <em>how</em> to gain access to future lawyers, future judges, future court staff to &#8216;train&#8217; them. </p>
<p>Jilly D: I&#8217;ll go look. Thank you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jilly Dybka</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-102048</link>
		<dc:creator>Jilly Dybka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 03:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-102048</guid>
		<description>This might be only peripherally related but Larisa Arap was on CSPAN this weekend, speaking about punitive psychiatry &amp; her experiences. There is a &lt;a href=&quot;rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e101007_russia.rm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;video of it online&lt;/a&gt; at CSPAN but you need real player (free) to view. 

She begins at about 1 hour 5 minutes into the video. CSPAN  expires their videos - so it might go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be only peripherally related but Larisa Arap was on CSPAN this weekend, speaking about punitive psychiatry &#038; her experiences. There is a <a href="rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e101007_russia.rm" rel="nofollow">video of it online</a> at CSPAN but you need real player (free) to view. </p>
<p>She begins at about 1 hour 5 minutes into the video. CSPAN  expires their videos &#8211; so it might go away.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Stolios</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-102016</link>
		<dc:creator>Stolios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-102016</guid>
		<description>Dr. E:

     I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion that the implementation of mental health courts can provide a merciful result for both the defendant, and the public, at the same time.  Court systems which operate in substantially the same way in which they operated 50 years ago - and surely this is the case in countless jurisdictions - quite likely fail to make meaningful use of the vast array of diagnostic and treatment opportunities which may have been unheard of when the laws those courts are upholding, and the procedures being to uphold the laws, were authored.  As such, court personnel have to think, and act, outside of the box in order for certain cases to receive the appropriate care, and style, of attention.

     While I thoroughly agree with you regarding the formation of such courts, I also advocate a median position which would still represent a meaningful step forward in the march to mental health courts.   And that would be to insure greater training of the judiciary, and court personnel, including lawyers, on mental health issues.

     Judges who have never been trained on issues relating to mental health, other than to perhaps ask a few questions of an allegedly unfit defendant who stands before the court unable to prove even that they are alert and oriented, do a disservice to their judicial colleagues, and to society as a whole, by not recognizing the mentally ill defendant, and making that recognition part of their decision making process when it comes to questions of bail, scheduling, and the resolution of cases.

      So were I to have a say in this matter, I&#039;d say YES, mental health courts would be a true benefit to the entirety of society..  But absent that giant step (keeping in mind the typical resistance to change which can be seen in countless governmental bureaucracies) , the smaller step of training, and creating greater awareness of mental health issues in the entirety of the criminal justice system, is an idea for which the time has come.

Regards,
Stolios</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. E:</p>
<p>     I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion that the implementation of mental health courts can provide a merciful result for both the defendant, and the public, at the same time.  Court systems which operate in substantially the same way in which they operated 50 years ago &#8211; and surely this is the case in countless jurisdictions &#8211; quite likely fail to make meaningful use of the vast array of diagnostic and treatment opportunities which may have been unheard of when the laws those courts are upholding, and the procedures being to uphold the laws, were authored.  As such, court personnel have to think, and act, outside of the box in order for certain cases to receive the appropriate care, and style, of attention.</p>
<p>     While I thoroughly agree with you regarding the formation of such courts, I also advocate a median position which would still represent a meaningful step forward in the march to mental health courts.   And that would be to insure greater training of the judiciary, and court personnel, including lawyers, on mental health issues.</p>
<p>     Judges who have never been trained on issues relating to mental health, other than to perhaps ask a few questions of an allegedly unfit defendant who stands before the court unable to prove even that they are alert and oriented, do a disservice to their judicial colleagues, and to society as a whole, by not recognizing the mentally ill defendant, and making that recognition part of their decision making process when it comes to questions of bail, scheduling, and the resolution of cases.</p>
<p>      So were I to have a say in this matter, I&#8217;d say YES, mental health courts would be a true benefit to the entirety of society..  But absent that giant step (keeping in mind the typical resistance to change which can be seen in countless governmental bureaucracies) , the smaller step of training, and creating greater awareness of mental health issues in the entirety of the criminal justice system, is an idea for which the time has come.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Stolios</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-101962</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-101962</guid>
		<description>Re Randi Rhodes&#039; case, see UPDATE at the top of 
TMV this hour: &quot;Randi Rhodes: Media Mixmaster Ignites. 
What actually occurred and how Miss Rhodes became injured 
remains unsettled. There&#039;s much speculation about actual causes. We&#039;ll wait and see further.
dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Randi Rhodes&#8217; case, see UPDATE at the top of<br />
TMV this hour: &#8220;Randi Rhodes: Media Mixmaster Ignites.<br />
What actually occurred and how Miss Rhodes became injured<br />
remains unsettled. There&#8217;s much speculation about actual causes. We&#8217;ll wait and see further.<br />
dr.e</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-101914</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-101914</guid>
		<description>thanks Dave: For families who have &#039;wandering loved ones&#039; on the streets, in California for instance, many are beside themselves that they cannot get their ill family member the help they need... the state has many firewalls preventing family members from seeking adequate help for their loved one, either humanely or legally. You summed up the the controversy well. Common sense would be a powerful additive to the idea of &quot;responsible enough to be on your own.&quot;

Yet, when I was present in one of the Western state&#039;s legislature&#039;s debates back in the 1980s about this very matter, I saw that many who are &#039;making the laws&#039; with regard to mental health, have never been on the streets, not even as &#039;a tourist&#039; ...the lawmakers have no idea what consequence they wroth. Again, it would have helped so much to have had law wrought by people of insight into this issue, and common sense... not just lobbyist hearsay/ lures. 

And you&#039;re right about some not wanting to foot the bill for mental health care; but all taxpayers wind up paying the enormous bill for insurance claims re damages and physical harms, hospital ERs, incarcerations, judges, court staff and police cover; these installations to deal with the issues cost huge dollar amounts.

I&#039;m thinking this morning too of the poor radio commentator who was assaulted badly in Manhattan yesterday, and wondering if that&#039;s another case of assault by an ill person on a mental tear who just lashed out without reason. In that case this morning, there is much speculation, and we&#039;re still watching the newswires for more facts. It may or may not be a case in point. Regardless, that public situation bears watching, I think... even though there are many other assaults in the big apple in the last day that will not reach the level of &#039;news&#039; this one has.
dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Dave: For families who have &#8216;wandering loved ones&#8217; on the streets, in California for instance, many are beside themselves that they cannot get their ill family member the help they need&#8230; the state has many firewalls preventing family members from seeking adequate help for their loved one, either humanely or legally. You summed up the the controversy well. Common sense would be a powerful additive to the idea of &#8220;responsible enough to be on your own.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet, when I was present in one of the Western state&#8217;s legislature&#8217;s debates back in the 1980s about this very matter, I saw that many who are &#8216;making the laws&#8217; with regard to mental health, have never been on the streets, not even as &#8216;a tourist&#8217; &#8230;the lawmakers have no idea what consequence they wroth. Again, it would have helped so much to have had law wrought by people of insight into this issue, and common sense&#8230; not just lobbyist hearsay/ lures. </p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right about some not wanting to foot the bill for mental health care; but all taxpayers wind up paying the enormous bill for insurance claims re damages and physical harms, hospital ERs, incarcerations, judges, court staff and police cover; these installations to deal with the issues cost huge dollar amounts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking this morning too of the poor radio commentator who was assaulted badly in Manhattan yesterday, and wondering if that&#8217;s another case of assault by an ill person on a mental tear who just lashed out without reason. In that case this morning, there is much speculation, and we&#8217;re still watching the newswires for more facts. It may or may not be a case in point. Regardless, that public situation bears watching, I think&#8230; even though there are many other assaults in the big apple in the last day that will not reach the level of &#8216;news&#8217; this one has.<br />
dr.e</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/comment-page-1/#comment-101893</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/15614/civil-liberties-and-the-mentally-ill-the-new-concept-of-mental-health-courts/#comment-101893</guid>
		<description>Unfortunately, those who suffer from serious mental illness are caught up in a perennial ongoing debate here in the United States over what should be voluntary and what mandatory.  For the last nearly 40 years the pendulum has swung over to the &#147;everything is voluntary&#148; side, abetted by a coalition of civil rights activists (left and right) and people who just don&#039;t want to pay for other people&#039;s mental health care.

The underlying rationale is actually fairly convincing:  if you&#039;re responsible enough to be on your own, you&#039;re responsible enough to take the consequences for transgressions.  The problems you quite correctly point to appear when we extend the notion of &#147;responsible enough to be on your own&#148; too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, those who suffer from serious mental illness are caught up in a perennial ongoing debate here in the United States over what should be voluntary and what mandatory.  For the last nearly 40 years the pendulum has swung over to the &#8220;everything is voluntary&#8221; side, abetted by a coalition of civil rights activists (left and right) and people who just don&#8217;t want to pay for other people&#8217;s mental health care.</p>
<p>The underlying rationale is actually fairly convincing:  if you&#8217;re responsible enough to be on your own, you&#8217;re responsible enough to take the consequences for transgressions.  The problems you quite correctly point to appear when we extend the notion of &#8220;responsible enough to be on your own&#8221; too far.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

