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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15608/outsourcing-the-search-for-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-102014</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idio, preach on brother.   I think this is long overdue and shoddy work or no it will grow into something solid or disappear after the first catastrophicly wrong report that hits it big.   Besides, forms of it are already abounding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idio, preach on brother.   I think this is long overdue and shoddy work or no it will grow into something solid or disappear after the first catastrophicly wrong report that hits it big.   Besides, forms of it are already abounding.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15608/outsourcing-the-search-for-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-101943</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Idio-

In principle, I agree with you absolutely,

I&#039;m not sure that this would work out in practice, though.  Now that even printing a nursery rhyme can be controversial, reporters are exposed to political attacks from powers that can go as high up as the governemtn.

Staffers have the backing of the parent company when that happens.  Would this non-profit be able to provide the same support?  

With all their misteps, I really pity reporters of all kinds these days.  If the news is bad, it&#039;s often made out to be the reporter&#039;s fault, and killing the messenger is a national sport.

A good investigative reporter needs strong support to survive.  An intermediary printer would not provide it and may impde it if that turns out to be to their advantage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Idio-</p>
<p>In principle, I agree with you absolutely,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that this would work out in practice, though.  Now that even printing a nursery rhyme can be controversial, reporters are exposed to political attacks from powers that can go as high up as the governemtn.</p>
<p>Staffers have the backing of the parent company when that happens.  Would this non-profit be able to provide the same support?  </p>
<p>With all their misteps, I really pity reporters of all kinds these days.  If the news is bad, it&#8217;s often made out to be the reporter&#8217;s fault, and killing the messenger is a national sport.</p>
<p>A good investigative reporter needs strong support to survive.  An intermediary printer would not provide it and may impde it if that turns out to be to their advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: Idiosyncrat</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15608/outsourcing-the-search-for-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-101891</link>
		<dc:creator>Idiosyncrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, the media has been using stringers forever.  If the work is quality and stands up to third-party scrutiny, I couldn&#039;t care less what the motives are of the people behind the work.  If the scandal-highlighting work of a W hater is accurate, their findings are no less valid.  Same goes with a Hillary hater.

Power must be investigated -- left, right, elected, corporate -- PERIOD.

Remember when journalists used to actually do this stuff?  

There are a few still around... I know some of them.  Unfortunately many of those remaining gems don&#039;t feel like they&#039;re wanted, valued, or otherwise feel comfortable in what their profession has generally morphed into and are increasingly taking refuge in PR firms, private investigative companies and other organizations to which 10 years ago they wouldn&#039;t have contemplated moving.

Bring it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, the media has been using stringers forever.  If the work is quality and stands up to third-party scrutiny, I couldn&#8217;t care less what the motives are of the people behind the work.  If the scandal-highlighting work of a W hater is accurate, their findings are no less valid.  Same goes with a Hillary hater.</p>
<p>Power must be investigated &#8212; left, right, elected, corporate &#8212; PERIOD.</p>
<p>Remember when journalists used to actually do this stuff?  </p>
<p>There are a few still around&#8230; I know some of them.  Unfortunately many of those remaining gems don&#8217;t feel like they&#8217;re wanted, valued, or otherwise feel comfortable in what their profession has generally morphed into and are increasingly taking refuge in PR firms, private investigative companies and other organizations to which 10 years ago they wouldn&#8217;t have contemplated moving.</p>
<p>Bring it on.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Bell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  Outsourcing usually works under fairly specific conditions.

One is that there is a lower cost source of labor outside, which is explicitly stated not to be the case here.

Another is if the cost of work, especially the rist of fixed costs sitting idle, can be factored across multiple outsourcing customers.  That&#039;s probably true here - Steiger will be in trouble, not any particular newspaper, if this high-powered team is left sitting idle.

So it seems to come down to a tradeoff.  Obviously a newspaper that sources a meaty, investigative, story from the outside is going to derive less cachet and brand enhancement from it, but they will get the story at an effectively much lower cost because they are buying it piecemeal. 

There is also the issue of whether or not a single story will be sold to multiple papers, and under what terms.

To me a clearer business model is for them just to publish independently on-line, subscription only, and develop their own high quality brand and collect their own Pulitzers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  Outsourcing usually works under fairly specific conditions.</p>
<p>One is that there is a lower cost source of labor outside, which is explicitly stated not to be the case here.</p>
<p>Another is if the cost of work, especially the rist of fixed costs sitting idle, can be factored across multiple outsourcing customers.  That&#8217;s probably true here &#8211; Steiger will be in trouble, not any particular newspaper, if this high-powered team is left sitting idle.</p>
<p>So it seems to come down to a tradeoff.  Obviously a newspaper that sources a meaty, investigative, story from the outside is going to derive less cachet and brand enhancement from it, but they will get the story at an effectively much lower cost because they are buying it piecemeal. </p>
<p>There is also the issue of whether or not a single story will be sold to multiple papers, and under what terms.</p>
<p>To me a clearer business model is for them just to publish independently on-line, subscription only, and develop their own high quality brand and collect their own Pulitzers.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There would be a problem of responsibility for whoever prints independent material, it seems to me.  Unless they invest time and money of their own to cross check, they run the risk of printing embarrassingly erroneous articles.  Better to do their own publishing, perhaps as an on-line mag.

That aside, the first two comments show why it wouldn;t work.  For some folks, everthing is a lie unless is echoes their own minds. 

That&#039;s also at the root of a good part of the crticism of the media. While they deserve much criticism,  there is no news report possible these days which isn&#039;t seen as biased by someone.

That there is not nearly enough investigative reporting done is more than clear. 
That no offer to fill the gap will satisfy is also clear.

Too bad. We lose either way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There would be a problem of responsibility for whoever prints independent material, it seems to me.  Unless they invest time and money of their own to cross check, they run the risk of printing embarrassingly erroneous articles.  Better to do their own publishing, perhaps as an on-line mag.</p>
<p>That aside, the first two comments show why it wouldn;t work.  For some folks, everthing is a lie unless is echoes their own minds. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s also at the root of a good part of the crticism of the media. While they deserve much criticism,  there is no news report possible these days which isn&#8217;t seen as biased by someone.</p>
<p>That there is not nearly enough investigative reporting done is more than clear.<br />
That no offer to fill the gap will satisfy is also clear.</p>
<p>Too bad. We lose either way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Two posts and neither of them stating anything meaningful. A more cogent post might point out that maybe the idea wouldn&#039;t have occurred to anyone if the media had been doing their jobs properly for the last few years. But it seems that too much reporting has devolved into taking the handouts provided by those in power without asking nearly enough questions, pointing out inaccuracies or questioning motivations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Two posts and neither of them stating anything meaningful. A more cogent post might point out that maybe the idea wouldn&#8217;t have occurred to anyone if the media had been doing their jobs properly for the last few years. But it seems that too much reporting has devolved into taking the handouts provided by those in power without asking nearly enough questions, pointing out inaccuracies or questioning motivations.</p>
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		<title>By: G. Weightman</title>
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		<dc:creator>G. Weightman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s fascinating how today&#039;s Left has no compunction about accepting big bucks from currency speculators, insurance magnates, and mortgage lenders.  If Old Man Potter came to life today, he&#039;d be contributing to MoveOn.org.  Ah well, pecunia non olet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fascinating how today&#8217;s Left has no compunction about accepting big bucks from currency speculators, insurance magnates, and mortgage lenders.  If Old Man Potter came to life today, he&#8217;d be contributing to MoveOn.org.  Ah well, pecunia non olet.</p>
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		<title>By: stevesturm</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevesturm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, it won&#039;t work.  The MSM won&#039;t touch anything critical of liberals (whether in-house or outsourced) and they&#039;re already hot after anything that makes Republicans look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, it won&#8217;t work.  The MSM won&#8217;t touch anything critical of liberals (whether in-house or outsourced) and they&#8217;re already hot after anything that makes Republicans look bad.</p>
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