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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15558/turkey-between-iraq-a-hard-place/comment-page-1/#comment-101660</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pelosi was wrong earlier to do her Middle East trip and undermine US foreign policy&quot;

I try to ignore unsubstantiated assertions like this, but this particular one has been repeated too many times to get free passage.

Many Republcans have alos gone to Syria, and Pelosi did no more &#039;undermining &#039;than they did
She said nothing in Syria to dispute Bush&#039;s policy.

Any claim to the contrary is just a political shot in the dark.  
I could say, for example, that Bush personally gets a cut from every barrel of oil imported from SA, but I don&#039;t say that, because I have nothing to substantiate such a claim. For the same reason, I don&#039;t say that the Cheneys have a transverstitie son who is kept chained in their attic.  

This is nothing but  baseless supposition and fools no on but the person making it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pelosi was wrong earlier to do her Middle East trip and undermine US foreign policy&#8221;</p>
<p>I try to ignore unsubstantiated assertions like this, but this particular one has been repeated too many times to get free passage.</p>
<p>Many Republcans have alos gone to Syria, and Pelosi did no more &#8216;undermining &#8216;than they did<br />
She said nothing in Syria to dispute Bush&#8217;s policy.</p>
<p>Any claim to the contrary is just a political shot in the dark.<br />
I could say, for example, that Bush personally gets a cut from every barrel of oil imported from SA, but I don&#8217;t say that, because I have nothing to substantiate such a claim. For the same reason, I don&#8217;t say that the Cheneys have a transverstitie son who is kept chained in their attic.  </p>
<p>This is nothing but  baseless supposition and fools no on but the person making it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 01:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pelosi was wrong earlier to do her Middle East trip and undermine US foreign policy. This was even worse.&quot;

I really feel labeling her trip to Iraq as underminig US foreign policy is going a bit overboard.   Many GOP members in the House have visited over there for the same reasons.  They wanted to see what was going on for themselves, and considering the administrations level of bs, I can&#039;t blame them. 

The genocide resolution however actually does undermine our foreign policy and its a stupid, stupid move.  Nebulous gestures are fine as long as they have nebulous consequences, but this has concrete consequences for no gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pelosi was wrong earlier to do her Middle East trip and undermine US foreign policy. This was even worse.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really feel labeling her trip to Iraq as underminig US foreign policy is going a bit overboard.   Many GOP members in the House have visited over there for the same reasons.  They wanted to see what was going on for themselves, and considering the administrations level of bs, I can&#8217;t blame them. </p>
<p>The genocide resolution however actually does undermine our foreign policy and its a stupid, stupid move.  Nebulous gestures are fine as long as they have nebulous consequences, but this has concrete consequences for no gain.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15558/turkey-between-iraq-a-hard-place/comment-page-1/#comment-101607</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Turks use their own cultural immaturity in denial of their genocide as a pretext to invade Kurdish Iraq, they are fools. They are not. Bellicosity wins votes at home, and the Turks are doing that.

Then they will muzzle up, grumble as the resolution is passed and blows like an odorless fart, and beg for our help in getting closer to Europe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Turks use their own cultural immaturity in denial of their genocide as a pretext to invade Kurdish Iraq, they are fools. They are not. Bellicosity wins votes at home, and the Turks are doing that.</p>
<p>Then they will muzzle up, grumble as the resolution is passed and blows like an odorless fart, and beg for our help in getting closer to Europe.</p>
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		<title>By: krit</title>
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		<dc:creator>krit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans on the committee voted for it as well- because they had a large Armenian contingent in their constituency who they did not want to offend. I agree with the resolution in principle- because no country should be allowed to deny genocide---but the timing is lousy.

If Turkey invades Iraq, won&#039;t tit be because of the actions of the PKK, and not some meaningless resolution passed by a House committee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans on the committee voted for it as well- because they had a large Armenian contingent in their constituency who they did not want to offend. I agree with the resolution in principle- because no country should be allowed to deny genocide&#8212;but the timing is lousy.</p>
<p>If Turkey invades Iraq, won&#8217;t tit be because of the actions of the PKK, and not some meaningless resolution passed by a House committee?</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, it&#039;s not a &quot;Democrat-Engineered Disaster&quot;. 

We still have all those targets over their because President Bush decided to fight a war, but didn&#039;t know how. 

Turkey has legitimate complaints about some Kurds. But we have our hands full with the Shia and Sunni and can&#039;t do anyhting about that. None of that is the result of any Congressional resolution, no matter how stupid. 

The Turks already have troops protecting their borders. It&#039;s already a tinderbox. 

Plenty of so-called conservatives want a third war in the Middle East. But they want it with somebody else. They don&#039;t want it with one of our NATO allies. 

I haven&#039;t forgotten whose incompetence got us to this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, it&#8217;s not a &#8220;Democrat-Engineered Disaster&#8221;. </p>
<p>We still have all those targets over their because President Bush decided to fight a war, but didn&#8217;t know how. </p>
<p>Turkey has legitimate complaints about some Kurds. But we have our hands full with the Shia and Sunni and can&#8217;t do anyhting about that. None of that is the result of any Congressional resolution, no matter how stupid. </p>
<p>The Turks already have troops protecting their borders. It&#8217;s already a tinderbox. </p>
<p>Plenty of so-called conservatives want a third war in the Middle East. But they want it with somebody else. They don&#8217;t want it with one of our NATO allies. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t forgotten whose incompetence got us to this point.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now if Turkey is pushed over the edge and invades Iraq?

&lt;strong&gt;DEMOCRAT-ENGINEERED DISASTER IN IRAQ&lt;/strong&gt;

Somehow I don&#039;t expect to see that headline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now if Turkey is pushed over the edge and invades Iraq?</p>
<p><strong>DEMOCRAT-ENGINEERED DISASTER IN IRAQ</strong></p>
<p>Somehow I don&#8217;t expect to see that headline.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Note to Pelosi: What happened to diplomacy as the means of conflict resolution?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pelosi was wrong earlier to do her Middle East trip and undermine US foreign policy.  This was even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Note to Pelosi: What happened to diplomacy as the means of conflict resolution?</p></blockquote>
<p>Pelosi was wrong earlier to do her Middle East trip and undermine US foreign policy.  This was even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with George Sorwell.

There are any number of past horrors not honored by Congressional resolutions.  To choose this particular one because of a small constituency is nothing short of shooting ourselves in the foot, and the consequences may be much graver than that.

You don&#039;t argue the finer points of etiquette while crossing a mine field.
It&#039;s too late to kill the resolution.  
I hope we can atill stop this endless string of counterproductive resolutions from getting any longer.

Note to Pelosi:  What happened to diplomacy as the means of conflict resolution?    
Shame, sgame. shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with George Sorwell.</p>
<p>There are any number of past horrors not honored by Congressional resolutions.  To choose this particular one because of a small constituency is nothing short of shooting ourselves in the foot, and the consequences may be much graver than that.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t argue the finer points of etiquette while crossing a mine field.<br />
It&#8217;s too late to kill the resolution.<br />
I hope we can atill stop this endless string of counterproductive resolutions from getting any longer.</p>
<p>Note to Pelosi:  What happened to diplomacy as the means of conflict resolution?<br />
Shame, sgame. shame.</p>
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		<title>By: George Sorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Sorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Normally I would agree with Lynx. But these are not normal times. 

I think the problems of the present need to be adressed before the problems of past can be redressed. 

We need the Turks on our side because we have 170,000 troops in the country next-door to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Normally I would agree with Lynx. But these are not normal times. </p>
<p>I think the problems of the present need to be adressed before the problems of past can be redressed. </p>
<p>We need the Turks on our side because we have 170,000 troops in the country next-door to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recognizing the genocide committed upon the Armenians will not un-kill them, but recanting on our recognition that the killing happened and it was wrong just because the killers have something we want and the survivors have no clout at all strikes me as deeply deeply cowardly and cynical.
What would we say if China put the Holocaust into doubt because it wanted good relations with Iran? For shame! How dare they play along with a totally false notion of history just to get into good graces with those unable to admit past atrocities?!

Congress needs to stop with the non-binding resolutions and start with some serious binding ones.  I&#039;ve said before and I&#039;ll say again that there are far more important things on the agenda and if we must speak of genocide and past mistakes, recognizing what we&#039;ve done to the American Indians should come first. However, now that they HAVE put this on the table, they should leave it there. Turkey must learn to grow up and that the rest of the world will not play along with their pretend version of history just to make them feel better. Shame on President Clinton for being so cowardly with the truth and shame on the Congress that bowed to him, shame again on Bush for the same thing and shame on Congress if they back down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recognizing the genocide committed upon the Armenians will not un-kill them, but recanting on our recognition that the killing happened and it was wrong just because the killers have something we want and the survivors have no clout at all strikes me as deeply deeply cowardly and cynical.<br />
What would we say if China put the Holocaust into doubt because it wanted good relations with Iran? For shame! How dare they play along with a totally false notion of history just to get into good graces with those unable to admit past atrocities?!</p>
<p>Congress needs to stop with the non-binding resolutions and start with some serious binding ones.  I&#8217;ve said before and I&#8217;ll say again that there are far more important things on the agenda and if we must speak of genocide and past mistakes, recognizing what we&#8217;ve done to the American Indians should come first. However, now that they HAVE put this on the table, they should leave it there. Turkey must learn to grow up and that the rest of the world will not play along with their pretend version of history just to make them feel better. Shame on President Clinton for being so cowardly with the truth and shame on the Congress that bowed to him, shame again on Bush for the same thing and shame on Congress if they back down.</p>
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