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		<title>By: Poetry News for October 15, 2007 &#124; Poetry Hut Blog: Poetry News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poetry News for October 15, 2007 &#124; Poetry Hut Blog: Poetry News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15536/blogging-when-you-have-ideas-you-cannot-yet-execute/comment-page-1/#comment-101754</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JD; the diff, maybe, outsider art is often imaginative and/or oddly resonant. Writing that is imaginative and/or odd is often also artful, even if few grok it. Bad anything, I&#039;m not so sure; I know that time of life has something to do with what I can abide, 
and what I must pass by. 
dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JD; the diff, maybe, outsider art is often imaginative and/or oddly resonant. Writing that is imaginative and/or odd is often also artful, even if few grok it. Bad anything, I&#8217;m not so sure; I know that time of life has something to do with what I can abide,<br />
and what I must pass by.<br />
dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: Jilly Dybka</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15536/blogging-when-you-have-ideas-you-cannot-yet-execute/comment-page-1/#comment-101726</link>
		<dc:creator>Jilly Dybka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks -- it&#039;s weird -- I like outsider art, outsider music (the Shaggs for example), but bad writing is just bad writing hahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8212; it&#8217;s weird &#8212; I like outsider art, outsider music (the Shaggs for example), but bad writing is just bad writing hahaha.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15536/blogging-when-you-have-ideas-you-cannot-yet-execute/comment-page-1/#comment-101691</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 21:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jilly Dybka: You&#039;re accurate again.

I&#039;m twying to practice every day so it 
trickles out... as I remind myself...
&quot;as Perfectly imperfect...or as Imperfectly perfect; as I&#039;m allowed and able.&quot; 

Thank y ou for making me smile. lol. Me too JD: I am glad outsider art, so called, even got a mag, Raw Vision, many 
yrs ago now. And  tx for giving the link to Thurber&#039;s work; I have often marvelled at how his often just 4 or 5 curvaceous lines can make us see a being of weight and action on the page. He was just very cool
dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jilly Dybka: You&#8217;re accurate again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m twying to practice every day so it<br />
trickles out&#8230; as I remind myself&#8230;<br />
&#8220;as Perfectly imperfect&#8230;or as Imperfectly perfect; as I&#8217;m allowed and able.&#8221; </p>
<p>Thank y ou for making me smile. lol. Me too JD: I am glad outsider art, so called, even got a mag, Raw Vision, many<br />
yrs ago now. And  tx for giving the link to Thurber&#8217;s work; I have often marvelled at how his often just 4 or 5 curvaceous lines can make us see a being of weight and action on the page. He was just very cool<br />
dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: Jilly Dybka</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15536/blogging-when-you-have-ideas-you-cannot-yet-execute/comment-page-1/#comment-101681</link>
		<dc:creator>Jilly Dybka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But, no matter what, the picture never matches the picture. The writing never matches the dream.&quot;

?

Yeah but it is YOUR dream/art. That&#039;s why I like outsider art / naive art so much. It seems like THE perfect representation of creative impulse.  I prefer the honest / truthful to the trained / conditioned.

You&#039;re not expecting it to pop out perfectly are ya?

This post brings to mind the practically blind James Thurber &amp; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cartoonbank.com/search_results_category.asp?sitetype=1&amp;artist=James+Thurber&amp;section=prints&amp;advanced=1&amp;title=James+Thurber&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;his cartoons&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, no matter what, the picture never matches the picture. The writing never matches the dream.&#8221;</p>
<p>?</p>
<p>Yeah but it is YOUR dream/art. That&#8217;s why I like outsider art / naive art so much. It seems like THE perfect representation of creative impulse.  I prefer the honest / truthful to the trained / conditioned.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not expecting it to pop out perfectly are ya?</p>
<p>This post brings to mind the practically blind James Thurber &#038; <a href="http://www.cartoonbank.com/search_results_category.asp?sitetype=1&#038;artist=James+Thurber&#038;section=prints&#038;advanced=1&#038;title=James+Thurber" rel="nofollow">his cartoons</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15536/blogging-when-you-have-ideas-you-cannot-yet-execute/comment-page-1/#comment-101455</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I take joy from executing little snippets of ideas 
here and there.&quot; You will live with contentment Domajot.

dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I take joy from executing little snippets of ideas<br />
here and there.&#8221; You will live with contentment Domajot.</p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah!

&quot;Living when you have ideas you can not execute &quot;
will be on my tombstone, I predict.
 
I take joy from executing little snippets of ideas here and there.  Consolation prizes they are, but consolation is always welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah!</p>
<p>&#8220;Living when you have ideas you can not execute &#8221;<br />
will be on my tombstone, I predict.</p>
<p>I take joy from executing little snippets of ideas here and there.  Consolation prizes they are, but consolation is always welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15536/blogging-when-you-have-ideas-you-cannot-yet-execute/comment-page-1/#comment-101403</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C. Stanley, I love that you said this and reminded us whether we once made such things ourselves as children, or received them from children: &quot;I have quite a few cherished notes that theyâ€™ve penned with lots of unorthodox lettering 
and spelling.&quot;  

Yes, I think I understand your meaning: proportion, rather than one-sidedness, but not necessarily symmetry. Degrees 
of what is given maatter as much as what is given. 

One of the most interesting things that I hear from 
adults who are speaking about their creative &#039;blocks&#039; is that it&#039;s not exactly the method they have to master... that will come in time and practice. More often, it&#039;s &#039;crawling out of&#039; an old mindset that has unwise and often untruthful things to say about a person&#039;s basic abilities. 

The only pill I know for that brain drain, is to keep going. 

dr.e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C. Stanley, I love that you said this and reminded us whether we once made such things ourselves as children, or received them from children: &#8220;I have quite a few cherished notes that theyâ€™ve penned with lots of unorthodox lettering<br />
and spelling.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Yes, I think I understand your meaning: proportion, rather than one-sidedness, but not necessarily symmetry. Degrees<br />
of what is given maatter as much as what is given. </p>
<p>One of the most interesting things that I hear from<br />
adults who are speaking about their creative &#8216;blocks&#8217; is that it&#8217;s not exactly the method they have to master&#8230; that will come in time and practice. More often, it&#8217;s &#8216;crawling out of&#8217; an old mindset that has unwise and often untruthful things to say about a person&#8217;s basic abilities. </p>
<p>The only pill I know for that brain drain, is to keep going. </p>
<p>dr.e</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 19:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I think it&#039;s a matter of degree, on the &#039;first paths&#039; concept. In other words, not travelling the off main path ways so much that they become ruts to dig out of, when it&#039;s time to get back on the main path. Do you get my meaning?

Lord knows I wouldn&#039;t dream of discouraging all creative writing in my kids when they&#039;re too young to spell- I have quite a few cherished notes that they&#039;ve penned with lots of unorthodox lettering and spelling. I just don&#039;t like the schools to do daily repetition of this.

And generally too, I think discipline and creativity work well when they&#039;re entwined; teach the &#039;correct pathways&#039; as you&#039;re also encouraging the exploring- but then as one matures and has the tools of spelling, sentence construction, or color/value/aerial perspective, etc, when those paths are worn, one can voluntarily travel off of them. That&#039;s different than wandering blindly in the woods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think it&#8217;s a matter of degree, on the &#8216;first paths&#8217; concept. In other words, not travelling the off main path ways so much that they become ruts to dig out of, when it&#8217;s time to get back on the main path. Do you get my meaning?</p>
<p>Lord knows I wouldn&#8217;t dream of discouraging all creative writing in my kids when they&#8217;re too young to spell- I have quite a few cherished notes that they&#8217;ve penned with lots of unorthodox lettering and spelling. I just don&#8217;t like the schools to do daily repetition of this.</p>
<p>And generally too, I think discipline and creativity work well when they&#8217;re entwined; teach the &#8216;correct pathways&#8217; as you&#8217;re also encouraging the exploring- but then as one matures and has the tools of spelling, sentence construction, or color/value/aerial perspective, etc, when those paths are worn, one can voluntarily travel off of them. That&#8217;s different than wandering blindly in the woods.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15536/blogging-when-you-have-ideas-you-cannot-yet-execute/comment-page-1/#comment-101348</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Clarissa Pinkola EstÃ©s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 16:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C. Stanley, youâ€™re a member of the astute  â€˜parentâ€™s clubâ€™ who has frontline experience. I&#039;d agree that parents are right to hold standards and hopefully can find schools that teach in methods they think best for the way their children learn... one reason Iâ€™ve liked the basic tutelary idea of charter schools...

I know from reading your comments these many months, youâ€™re the science expert, and I believe you when you say our brains have muscle memory. Itâ€™s just that my muscle memory looks more like the kid on the beach before the Charles Atlas course. I&#039;m laughing and I hope you are too. 

I think what you said is true, that what children/ adults see and endeavor cuts a primary â€œfirst footprints in the snowâ€ in the brains, burns a trace through the synapses so to speak. I wonder too, how much terrain â€˜to burn the trails intoâ€™ do we really have while young? Only one pathway for each learned response, and once itâ€™s filled, itâ€™s filled? Or does the brain constantly make new pathways to organize and retrieve whatever is consistently given to it? (I can hear my old behavioral psych professor spinning in her grave.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C. Stanley, youâ€™re a member of the astute  â€˜parentâ€™s clubâ€™ who has frontline experience. I&#8217;d agree that parents are right to hold standards and hopefully can find schools that teach in methods they think best for the way their children learn&#8230; one reason Iâ€™ve liked the basic tutelary idea of charter schools&#8230;</p>
<p>I know from reading your comments these many months, youâ€™re the science expert, and I believe you when you say our brains have muscle memory. Itâ€™s just that my muscle memory looks more like the kid on the beach before the Charles Atlas course. I&#8217;m laughing and I hope you are too. </p>
<p>I think what you said is true, that what children/ adults see and endeavor cuts a primary â€œfirst footprints in the snowâ€ in the brains, burns a trace through the synapses so to speak. I wonder too, how much terrain â€˜to burn the trails intoâ€™ do we really have while young? Only one pathway for each learned response, and once itâ€™s filled, itâ€™s filled? Or does the brain constantly make new pathways to organize and retrieve whatever is consistently given to it? (I can hear my old behavioral psych professor spinning in her grave.)</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr. E, I admire your goals here. May I play devil&#039;s advocate with some of your ideas presented here though?

I&#039;m a parent who&#039;s kids have been taught according to the &quot;spell it as you&#039;d like&quot; method, to encourage their creativity. Though I&#039;m only dealing with a small sample size, so my conclusions may not hold true universally- I&#039;ll say that I believe this leads to atrocious spelling skills. Our brains have muscle memory- so if you write things incorrectly enough times, the brain goes on autopilot. I think this is a terrible way to have kids begin writing, because it becomes very difficult later on to spell correctly.

Now what you&#039;ve described in regard to visual arts is much different- there&#039;s a lot more room for individual visions and non-literal renderings in the visual arts, vs. the structure of writing (I loved your description of the little red headed girl&#039;s hair, btw). Even in visual arts, though, there&#039;s a discipline of learning value and color theory, and learning technique (which is what you are struggling with now- trying to teach yourself how to transfer your thoughts onto paper so that others will see what you see in your head). I&#039;m all for creativity, but discipline of learning the theory and technique are what allow it to flourish rather than to stay in one&#039;s head (and frustrate us in our inability to have the tools to express it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. E, I admire your goals here. May I play devil&#8217;s advocate with some of your ideas presented here though?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a parent who&#8217;s kids have been taught according to the &#8220;spell it as you&#8217;d like&#8221; method, to encourage their creativity. Though I&#8217;m only dealing with a small sample size, so my conclusions may not hold true universally- I&#8217;ll say that I believe this leads to atrocious spelling skills. Our brains have muscle memory- so if you write things incorrectly enough times, the brain goes on autopilot. I think this is a terrible way to have kids begin writing, because it becomes very difficult later on to spell correctly.</p>
<p>Now what you&#8217;ve described in regard to visual arts is much different- there&#8217;s a lot more room for individual visions and non-literal renderings in the visual arts, vs. the structure of writing (I loved your description of the little red headed girl&#8217;s hair, btw). Even in visual arts, though, there&#8217;s a discipline of learning value and color theory, and learning technique (which is what you are struggling with now- trying to teach yourself how to transfer your thoughts onto paper so that others will see what you see in your head). I&#8217;m all for creativity, but discipline of learning the theory and technique are what allow it to flourish rather than to stay in one&#8217;s head (and frustrate us in our inability to have the tools to express it).</p>
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