Comments on: Bush: Limited Troop Reductions And Longterm Security Commitment To Iraq (ROUNDUP UPDATED) http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:40:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Bush: Limited Troop Reductions And Longterm Security Commitment To Iraq (ROUNDUP UPDATED) · Articles http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-98881 Bush: Limited Troop Reductions And Longterm Security Commitment To Iraq (ROUNDUP UPDATED) · Articles Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:36:22 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/#comment-98881 [...] (more…) [...] [...] (more…) [...]

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]]> By: President Bush Tells Nation “Troop Surge” Rollback Will Begin Soon; Says NOTHING About A Rollback On The “U.S. Private Contractor Surge” http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-98399 President Bush Tells Nation “Troop Surge” Rollback Will Begin Soon; Says NOTHING About A Rollback On The “U.S. Private Contractor Surge” Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:27:54 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/#comment-98399 [...] kindly to our friends Megan Donovan of The C’est Moi Political Blog and Joe Gandelman of The Moderate Voice for linking in with their great opinion pieces and must-see [...] [...] kindly to our friends Megan Donovan of The C’est Moi Political Blog and Joe Gandelman of The Moderate Voice for linking in with their great opinion pieces and must-see [...]

]]> By:   My take on the President’s Speech….. - The Detroit Times http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-98391   My take on the President’s Speech….. - The Detroit Times Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:47:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/#comment-98391 [...] Fox News, Salon, Hot Air, Democrats.senate.gov, DownWithTyranny!, The Van Der Galiën Gazette, The Moderate Voice, Los Angeles Times, Right Wing Nut House, The Democratic Daily, PoliBlog (TM), Taylor Marsh, The [...] [...] Fox News, Salon, Hot Air, Democrats.senate.gov, DownWithTyranny!, The Van Der Galiën Gazette, The Moderate Voice, Los Angeles Times, Right Wing Nut House, The Democratic Daily, PoliBlog (TM), Taylor Marsh, The [...]

]]> By: casualobserver http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-98383 casualobserver Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:15:20 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/#comment-98383 Blogs are great as a source of timely info and detail-you-dont-get-elsewhere, but not sure that these are useful as a proxy for public opinion, unless you view them as a sample of 20 individuals. Rasmussen put out some early numbers from 9/11- 12 polling and Petraeus received a plurality for his stated troop plan. Now that's more interesting to me. Why the "Not-so Great Communicator" decided to go out and step on that message beats me. Blogs are great as a source of timely info and detail-you-dont-get-elsewhere, but not sure that these are useful as a proxy for public opinion, unless you view them as a sample of 20 individuals.

Rasmussen put out some early numbers from 9/11- 12 polling and Petraeus received a plurality for his stated troop plan. Now that’s more interesting to me. Why the “Not-so Great Communicator” decided to go out and step on that message beats me.

]]> By: Pajamas Media http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-98375 Pajamas Media Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:15:02 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/#comment-98375 <strong>Bush Appeals to Nation, Begins to Roll Back Surge</strong> PJM Barcelona: Unsurprisingly, President Bush's major speech on Iraq Thursday [full text here] became the hottest topic in the blogosphere like a shot. Here's a sample of reaction...... Bush Appeals to Nation, Begins to Roll Back Surge

PJM Barcelona: Unsurprisingly, President Bush’s major speech on Iraq Thursday [full text here] became the hottest topic in the blogosphere like a shot. Here’s a sample of reaction……

]]> By: domajot http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-98374 domajot Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:05:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/#comment-98374 Red State: "He reached out to Dems and asked them to agree with him on the moral imperative of helping our ally Iraq" I didn't realize Mr. Bush had such a good sense of humor. Translation: let's cooperate by you doing it my way. Red State:
“He reached out to Dems and asked them to agree with him on the moral imperative of helping our ally Iraq”

I didn’t realize Mr. Bush had such a good sense of humor.
Translation: let’s cooperate by you doing it my way.

]]> By: domajot http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-98371 domajot Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:11:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/#comment-98371 The jaw-dropper of the speech was the long term security arragement with Iraq. That sounds like a treaty to me, so Congress had better start consulting with their Constitutional experts on the need tor treaties to be ratified by Congress. This is beyond serious. Can you even have a treaty with a non-functioning government? If the teetering Maliki falls, who would be the Iraqi partner to this treaty? How can you have a treaty with a country in the middle of a civil war? Formalizing a long term US presence in Iraq, would look like the establishment of another Israel in the ME to many (most?) Arabs in and out of Iraq. We might as well draw an X on our backs as the concentrated target for AQ and a multitude of other groups. This is, obviously, meant to thwart Iran, but the price would be paid by a loss in the GWOT. Whatever the argument for retaining troops in Iraq, formalizing it with a signed treaty and thus removing the pretense that it is not our intention to remain as an occupying force shifts the situation into a whole new sphere with maximally dangerous consequences possible. A spokesperson said Bush is pursuing this to avoid leaving a messy situation for the next president. Please, Mr.Presidemt. dpn't help the next administration, because you are helping it into hell. The jaw-dropper of the speech was the long term security arragement with Iraq. That sounds like a treaty to me, so Congress had better start consulting with their Constitutional experts on the need tor treaties to be ratified by Congress.
This is beyond serious.

Can you even have a treaty with a non-functioning government? If the teetering Maliki falls, who would be the Iraqi partner to this treaty? How can you have a treaty with a country in the middle of a civil war?

Formalizing a long term US presence in Iraq, would look like the establishment of another Israel in the ME to many (most?) Arabs in and out of Iraq. We might as well draw an X on our backs as the concentrated target for AQ and a multitude of other groups.

This is, obviously, meant to thwart Iran, but the price would be paid by a loss in the GWOT. Whatever the argument for retaining troops in Iraq, formalizing it with a signed treaty and thus removing the pretense that it is not our intention to remain as an occupying force shifts the situation into a whole new sphere with maximally dangerous consequences possible.

A spokesperson said Bush is pursuing this to avoid leaving a messy situation for the next president.
Please, Mr.Presidemt. dpn’t help the next administration, because you are helping it into hell.

]]> By: The lies and exaggerations of George W. Bush » The Moderate Voice http://themoderatevoice.com/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/comment-page-1/#comment-98364 The lies and exaggerations of George W. Bush » The Moderate Voice Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:52:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/15114/bush-limited-troop-reductions-and-longterm-security-comittment-to-iraq/#comment-98364 [...] Also be sure to read coblogger Joe Gandelman’s post and news/blog roundup of reactions to the Bush speech HERE. [...] [...] Also be sure to read coblogger Joe Gandelman’s post and news/blog roundup of reactions to the Bush speech HERE. [...]

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