It’s nice sometimes to be able to retreat into my own space–the Jewish Students Center at Carleton, for example–where I know I’m not going to be weird because I’m Jewish.

Every thing about this article Says Its an “ORDEAL” to be a Jew in America. Even down to not getting a Hamburger instead of a cheeseburger on his flight.

Bones its obvious to me that you and I read a different article. This article is one sentence away from crying “Anti Semitic America”. Its on the surface. Just there waiting to be said but alas it is never said, but greatly implied.

Ill give you the last word because you have ultimately proven my point which is:

If you choose to talk about a Jew, their long suffering or their religion then you are ultimately going to be accused, abused and end up confused and quite likely get pronouncements such as this:Somebody, this is ignorant nonsense. Please go educate yourself.

It is only in dealing with the Jews of this world are we villified if we do not fall into lock step “Amen Brother!!” mode when they speak, act or otherwise conduct their daily business.

As I said and will repeat. Only a Jew could turn not getting a cheeseburger on a flight into an anti semitic episode.

There is no one who is less of an Anti Semite then I and more of a Jewish supporter, but Im sorry this article just smoozes of “Woe is the Jew” to me and I found it comical in fact. So much so that I dared……yes Dared to say something that might be construed as anti semitic.

Woe is me.

Indeed. Come to think of it who needs religous issues to be offended by airline food?

That said the same Jews I’ve talked to say that Kosher food on planes tastes better. Having flown El Al Airline (where all the food is Kosher) I’m inclined to agree, I’d never before actually wolfed down an airline meal and wished I could have seconds.

Of course, the ordeal was even more awkward for me because of my own imperfect record of keeping kosher.

That really seems to key in on bashing others for anti semitism to you?

To which now you are lecturing me for attempting to be amused at a poor jew who had to suffer the ORDEAL of having no Hamburgers on his flight.

Personally I think anyone who tries to be amused when others feel bad has issues.

Only a Jew could make no cheeseburgers on a flight a serious issue in an attempt to make the airline seem antisemitic

Again this is the comment of yours I replied to and again the OP never said anyone was anti-semitic. tho I must say making sweeping claims about a whole race of people is usually not considered good form.

If you feel like strangers in a strange land, its because anyone who holds a minority belief, which I think 3% counts as, is going to feel like that from time to time. But c’mon, it can’t be that hard to understand. Even the posts author admits to an imperfect record which means he can see where the stewardess is coming from.

but the tone of voice made me feel as if I was making some wildly unreasonable demand of her company.

Of course, the ordeal was even more awkward for me because of my own imperfect record of keeping kosher.

I think strongly implied in these statements is that NO Hamburger turned his flight into an ORDEAL.

When I implied such. Holly Responded with:Somebody, this is ignorant nonsense. Please go educate yourself.

To which now you are lecturing me for attempting to be amused at a poor jew who had to suffer the ORDEAL of having no Hamburgers on his flight.

Only a Jew could make no cheeseburgers on a flight a serious issue in an attempt to make the airline seem antisemitic.

That was the statement I was referring to so no, I don’t need to read your post again. I did not accuse you of “Jew-Bashing” as you put it. Rather that your view that the OP was claiming anti-semitism as the reason for the airline serving cheese burgers. That does not seem to be the case at all. I did not come “away from my post with the concept that I was bashing Jews”. Instead I? think you climbed on your soap box to complain about something that didn’t happen and are to busy being defensive to notice.

Still, being aware of her allergy, can she really expect the whole world to shun perfume use because of her medical problem? IIMO, it would have been wiser to accept that she is in the minority and is bound to meet people wearing perfume. Wearing a filtering mask and arming herself with
medication seems like the most rational way to go.

There are all kinds of minorities in the US, not all of them bound to religion or eithnicity Going by the numbers (% of pupulation) Jews have achieved more recognition and sensitivity to their needs and interests than almost any other group. In fact, Jews are envied by less reoognized minorities for this success

When you are a minority, you are a minority, and I don’t see any shame or chagrin in accepting that fact. It’s up to the individual to find how to live in the majority’s culture while accomodating your minority specialness..

With an increasing number of Muslims here, should all work (including the stock exchange) stop five times a day so they can pray?

I can only shake my head and wonder sometimes why I continue to support the Jewish people who are the most closed minded people on earth……right next I suppose to Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Gays and Straight people.

This pretty much includes the entire worlds population. I think I Implied quite strongly that EVERYONE is close minded. Yet if you came away from my post with the concept that I was bashing Jews then Once again the point is proven that: Any remote hint that you are Jew Bashing is met with cries of “Ignorant nonsense” and please check into the local political correctness clinic for reeducation.

I will stand by my assertion that the Jewish people need to open their minds a little bit however. I think that their “Were right and the rest of the world just dont get it” attitude causes them more problems then they realize.

She still could have been more tactful.

Christians can be called war mongering, end of the world advocates and all is well.

Even the remotest criticism of a JEW and what happens………This is IGNORANT NONSENSE. That is always the exact narrow minded response I get from my Jewish friend to whenever I criticise the Jewish nation or the Jewish people.

Christians and Muslims and everyone else on the face of the earth need to Educate Themselves. Jews however have all the answers.

Holly Mabey its time for the Jews to go educate themselves and get rid of some of their narrow minded ignorance.

However the above post is precisely why the jews are perceived as being incapable of getting along with anyone. Life should meet their RELIGIOUS EXPECTATIONS and if it doesnt…..well then something SHOULD change.

Holly another Jew here at TMV basically told me one day in posting that my religion didnt matter and that she was basically laughing at my beliefs.

My response to her was the same. This is exactly why the Jews have such a hard time getting along with anyone and everyone and yet they stand back and point fingers at the Muslims and say………if they would just change their “Ways” which implies religious beliefs..then all would be well.

Only a Jew could make no cheeseburgers on a flight a serious issue in an attempt to make the airline seem antisemitic.

I can only shake my head and wonder sometimes why I continue to support the Jewish people who are the most closed minded people on earth……right next I suppose to Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Gays and Straight people.

Besides, I can’t remember the last time an airline even offered me a meal- I’d count myself lucky to even have any food beyond small snacks available.

When I koshered my kitchen some years back, it became the first kosher kitchen in my family since my great-grandfather died in 1964. I keep a dairy kitchen and do not eat meat at all anymore except at the synagogue and in homes with kosher kitchens.