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		<title>By: Loving Prostitutes &#124; Adventures and Thoughts of Team Cross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loving Prostitutes &#124; Adventures and Thoughts of Team Cross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bloggers have since written about the issue of Legalizing Prostitution, including The Moderate Voice, &#160;where a self-described Libertarian points out some of the reasons why prostitution should [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok so... people that like to have sex are perverts.

got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok so&#8230; people that like to have sex are perverts.</p>
<p>got it.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly in Cincinnati</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/15073/should-prostitution-be-legalized-2/comment-page-1/#comment-98096</link>
		<dc:creator>Holly in Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Should Prostitution be Legalized?&quot; 

YES</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Should Prostitution be Legalized?&#8221; </p>
<p>YES</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ro,

Very eye opening article on conditions in the industry.   A few things struck me though.  Namely that legalized doesn&#039;t mean unregulated which those folks most definitely seem to be.   There are a number of activities going on that seem to violate labor laws, and criminal ones as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ro,</p>
<p>Very eye opening article on conditions in the industry.   A few things struck me though.  Namely that legalized doesn&#8217;t mean unregulated which those folks most definitely seem to be.   There are a number of activities going on that seem to violate labor laws, and criminal ones as well.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abolishing prostitution laws will not make everything to do with prostitution pretty.  So. the strung out 16 yr old may still show up.  This can&#039;t be decided on the exception, however, but on the general effects.

Just like drugs, legailize and regulate is a much better approach than throwing people in jail for  what can&#039;t be eradicated..

In the US, however, with the current relitious leadership, the SC will stymie any attempts to change the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abolishing prostitution laws will not make everything to do with prostitution pretty.  So. the strung out 16 yr old may still show up.  This can&#8217;t be decided on the exception, however, but on the general effects.</p>
<p>Just like drugs, legailize and regulate is a much better approach than throwing people in jail for  what can&#8217;t be eradicated..</p>
<p>In the US, however, with the current relitious leadership, the SC will stymie any attempts to change the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: crossn81</title>
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		<dc:creator>crossn81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote about this back in &lt;a href=&quot;http://crossn81.blogspot.com/2007/08/should-prostitution-be-legalized.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;August &lt;/a&gt; from a social justice stand point.  Many of the women are not voluntarily &quot;employed&quot; in the sex trade.  Many of the pimps beat and force the women to submit to their authority, similar to little kings running around demanding payment for brokering services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about this back in <a href="http://crossn81.blogspot.com/2007/08/should-prostitution-be-legalized.html" rel="nofollow">August </a> from a social justice stand point.  Many of the women are not voluntarily &#8220;employed&#8221; in the sex trade.  Many of the pimps beat and force the women to submit to their authority, similar to little kings running around demanding payment for brokering services.</p>
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		<title>By: Ro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erg... not sure if the link showed up. Here&#039;s the site:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2164107,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erg&#8230; not sure if the link showed up. Here&#8217;s the site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2164107,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2164107,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam&#039;s comment &quot;legal prostitues arenâ€™t going to be pillars of the community, but they will be safer and better off than the 16 year old strung out on crack, beaten and sexually abused by a man whose only ability is to keep her marginally safer than sheâ€™d be on her own&quot; did not ring true to me a couple days after reading about  the reality of legalized prostitution in Nevada.  I&#039;ll put the site here and let you guys decide if it makes any difference in the argument -- it did for me.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2164107,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam&#8217;s comment &#8220;legal prostitues arenâ€™t going to be pillars of the community, but they will be safer and better off than the 16 year old strung out on crack, beaten and sexually abused by a man whose only ability is to keep her marginally safer than sheâ€™d be on her own&#8221; did not ring true to me a couple days after reading about  the reality of legalized prostitution in Nevada.  I&#8217;ll put the site here and let you guys decide if it makes any difference in the argument &#8212; it did for me.<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2164107,00.html" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Vegas is already a paradise for pimps, johns and perverts,&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What Las Vegas did this guy go to? Vegas cops keep the streets clean as a whistle relative to &quot;the old business model.&quot; If there&#039;s some back alley business going on, it is certainly not prolific.

What the mayor may be thinking about is the high-end escort business there where the women are security savvy, well-educated and earning very comfortable livings working independently. Put those ladies &quot;on the city payroll&quot; and your doing better than your parking meters real fast.

In the bigger picture, this area would be a great area to exploit federalism. You don&#039;t have to go anywhere near the religious conservatives. Prostitution is state law, not Federal. Take advantage of all those libertarian west states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Vegas is already a paradise for pimps, johns and perverts,</p></blockquote>
<p>What Las Vegas did this guy go to? Vegas cops keep the streets clean as a whistle relative to &#8220;the old business model.&#8221; If there&#8217;s some back alley business going on, it is certainly not prolific.</p>
<p>What the mayor may be thinking about is the high-end escort business there where the women are security savvy, well-educated and earning very comfortable livings working independently. Put those ladies &#8220;on the city payroll&#8221; and your doing better than your parking meters real fast.</p>
<p>In the bigger picture, this area would be a great area to exploit federalism. You don&#8217;t have to go anywhere near the religious conservatives. Prostitution is state law, not Federal. Take advantage of all those libertarian west states.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Finally, if prostitution degrades the women who service men, what about the men who patronize these women, theyâ€™re even more guilty than the female victims.&quot;

Men don&#039;t get degraded by sex, didn&#039;t anyone tell you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Finally, if prostitution degrades the women who service men, what about the men who patronize these women, theyâ€™re even more guilty than the female victims.&#8221;</p>
<p>Men don&#8217;t get degraded by sex, didn&#8217;t anyone tell you?</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Europe the sex trade is legal and above board. I know the &quot;morality crowd&quot; in the US won&#039;t except that legal prostitution is better than what goes down [ ;-) ] over here. But the &quot;racist crowd&quot; sees US prostitution as streetwalkers and pimps. But much of it goes on in phone books, alternative newspapers and on the Internet as escort services. Paige Birgfeld used an escort business and prostitution to maintain a 6 figure home she couldn&#039;t afford. Her greed and her lifestyle probably caused her death. Escorts in the US are used by corporations and businessmen to entertain clients. While street walkers are seen as immoral, the soccer mom next door as an escort is given little notice untill they turn up dead in a field. Years ago in Southfield Michigan, a college student was caught up in the escort service while doing research for a class. She became enamored with the lifestyle and a regular customer murdered her, this became a big local story, while the &quot;dead common streetwalker&quot; is ignored. Finally, if prostitution degrades the women who service men, what about the  men who patronize these women, they&#039;re even more guilty than the female victims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Europe the sex trade is legal and above board. I know the &#8220;morality crowd&#8221; in the US won&#8217;t except that legal prostitution is better than what goes down [ <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  ] over here. But the &#8220;racist crowd&#8221; sees US prostitution as streetwalkers and pimps. But much of it goes on in phone books, alternative newspapers and on the Internet as escort services. Paige Birgfeld used an escort business and prostitution to maintain a 6 figure home she couldn&#8217;t afford. Her greed and her lifestyle probably caused her death. Escorts in the US are used by corporations and businessmen to entertain clients. While street walkers are seen as immoral, the soccer mom next door as an escort is given little notice untill they turn up dead in a field. Years ago in Southfield Michigan, a college student was caught up in the escort service while doing research for a class. She became enamored with the lifestyle and a regular customer murdered her, this became a big local story, while the &#8220;dead common streetwalker&#8221; is ignored. Finally, if prostitution degrades the women who service men, what about the  men who patronize these women, they&#8217;re even more guilty than the female victims.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A war on prostitution is about as silly and worthless as our current War on Drugs. Prostitution has existed since ancient history and will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. I agree that many (and probably even most) prostitutes are victims of abuse and neglect, but I fail to see how keeping their trade illegal makes any of it better. In addition, I UTTERLY fail to see the difference between porn and prostitution in the strictly moral sense. Both are sex for money, one is just in front of a camera and with someone also economically motivated. 

Frankly, a lot of the prohibition of prostitution has to do with legislating morality and the &quot;sex is a bad thing&quot; mentality. This is (to me) ridiculous. If you think paying for sex is disgusting or selling your body is then don&#039;t do it. I actually agree, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s my business to decide for others in that regard.

Now there is the other aspect; the undeniable fact that the sex trade is one that victimizes women, and often even enslaves them entirely. This certainly must be stopped, I just think it would be easier to do with a regulated trade than by pretending that it simply must not exist at all. Regulation could give women recourse for lots of things. For starters their rates could be fixed, they could have contracts (and therefore Social Security) be given health benefits, unionize, the whole host of things that only a LEGAL worker can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A war on prostitution is about as silly and worthless as our current War on Drugs. Prostitution has existed since ancient history and will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. I agree that many (and probably even most) prostitutes are victims of abuse and neglect, but I fail to see how keeping their trade illegal makes any of it better. In addition, I UTTERLY fail to see the difference between porn and prostitution in the strictly moral sense. Both are sex for money, one is just in front of a camera and with someone also economically motivated. </p>
<p>Frankly, a lot of the prohibition of prostitution has to do with legislating morality and the &#8220;sex is a bad thing&#8221; mentality. This is (to me) ridiculous. If you think paying for sex is disgusting or selling your body is then don&#8217;t do it. I actually agree, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s my business to decide for others in that regard.</p>
<p>Now there is the other aspect; the undeniable fact that the sex trade is one that victimizes women, and often even enslaves them entirely. This certainly must be stopped, I just think it would be easier to do with a regulated trade than by pretending that it simply must not exist at all. Regulation could give women recourse for lots of things. For starters their rates could be fixed, they could have contracts (and therefore Social Security) be given health benefits, unionize, the whole host of things that only a LEGAL worker can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put prostitution in the same category as drugs.  Making it illegal is silly, folks do it anyways and now you&#039;ve got the crime that goes with it.   There are few forms of life I can think of that are lower than a street pimp.   Yea, legal prostitues aren&#039;t going to be pillars of the community, but they will be safer and better off than the 16 year old strung out on crack, beaten and sexually abused by a man whose only ability is to keep her marginally safer than she&#039;d be on her own.  

If its going to happen anyways, regulate it for safety and tax the hell out of the vice.  It&#039;s still not pretty, but ultimately you end up serving the community better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put prostitution in the same category as drugs.  Making it illegal is silly, folks do it anyways and now you&#8217;ve got the crime that goes with it.   There are few forms of life I can think of that are lower than a street pimp.   Yea, legal prostitues aren&#8217;t going to be pillars of the community, but they will be safer and better off than the 16 year old strung out on crack, beaten and sexually abused by a man whose only ability is to keep her marginally safer than she&#8217;d be on her own.  </p>
<p>If its going to happen anyways, regulate it for safety and tax the hell out of the vice.  It&#8217;s still not pretty, but ultimately you end up serving the community better.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I largely agree with you and Herbert, so this is more of a devil&#039;s advocate type question.

Herbert said:

I have never seen such vulnerable, powerless women as those in the sex trade, legal or illegal.

I suspect this is true, and there are also millions of the working poor women who aren&#039;t giving blow jobs but who are working 60 hour weeks on minimum wage while trying to raise children on her own. I am not saying they are as vulnerable and powerless as women in the sex trade, but they are pretty close, in my opinion. And there are millions and millions and millions of them.

SO: if we make prostitution illegal based on Bob&#039;s arguments of powerlessness and vulnerability, should we not also make the plight of the working poor illegal for the same reasons? Or does &quot;sex&quot; somehow make this different? If so, why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I largely agree with you and Herbert, so this is more of a devil&#8217;s advocate type question.</p>
<p>Herbert said:</p>
<p>I have never seen such vulnerable, powerless women as those in the sex trade, legal or illegal.</p>
<p>I suspect this is true, and there are also millions of the working poor women who aren&#8217;t giving blow jobs but who are working 60 hour weeks on minimum wage while trying to raise children on her own. I am not saying they are as vulnerable and powerless as women in the sex trade, but they are pretty close, in my opinion. And there are millions and millions and millions of them.</p>
<p>SO: if we make prostitution illegal based on Bob&#8217;s arguments of powerlessness and vulnerability, should we not also make the plight of the working poor illegal for the same reasons? Or does &#8220;sex&#8221; somehow make this different? If so, why?</p>
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