Comments on: With Enemies Like This, General Petraeus Gets New Friends

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Articles — Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:02:00 +0000

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By: ryan

ryan — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:24:59 +0000

Lynx nailed it. Name-calling isn’t debate, and whether the far-left or the far-right does it, the only result is that any message they might have is undermined by the delivery. I agree with some of the thing MoveOn says, but I’d go to great lengths to avoid being associated with a group that acts childish and disrespectful.

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I am done with MoveOn.Org - The Detroit Times — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 03:15:53 +0000

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By: MarloweC

MarloweC — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:57:49 +0000

I think Lynx called this one right:

“This is the sort of thing that happens, on both the left and the right, with echo-chambers. You live in the kind bubble that encourages groupthink….The administration must be thrilled”

Sen.Kerry is only the latest Democrat to dive for cover from this “friendly fire” from the liberal rear end. The generally subtle undercutting of Petraeus seemed to be working across the MSM until this “own goal” barrage. It makes it all the more difficult for Democrats to publicly echo MoveOn’s “peace at any price” position.

I imagine the GOP is only hoping the same geniuses remain in charge at MoveOn in ’08.

By: Elrod

Elrod — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:45:21 +0000

I actually found the response from Sen. Kyl to be much more offensive than the Move On ad. If you get beyond the outlandish headline rhyming Petraeus with Betray Us, the ad is absolutely correct in calling out Petraeus for making up statistics about the surge. And then Kyl hides behind Petraeus’ uniform and demands the Democrats not only denounce Move On but support both Petraeus “and the mission.”

Also, the GOP fell into a trap by talking incessantly about the ad. People who might not have thought Petraeus could be making things up will hear Republicans complaining about charges of his dishonesty. So then they’ll start to think…hmmm, Petraeus accused of dishonesty. Maybe there’s a point in there.

The Republicans should have left it alone and pushed Petraeus’ generally realistic testimony instead of getting into a pissing match with Moveon.

By: Rudi

Rudi — Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:24:54 +0000

djman1141 – Just another Moonbat Librul – where’s the moderation?

By: djman1141

djman1141 — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:17:06 +0000

Sashal, the left’s treason is endemic, in their own trampling of the Constitution and the attempts to get the Kremlin involved on the Dem side in the ’84 election. The KGB records noted that Teddy Kennedy and Jimmy Carter made separate approaches through their emissaries to Moscow to keep Reagan from being re-elected.

In the Dem playbook, I suppose you would consider that “just politics.” In the real world, THAT’S REAL TREASON.

The Democrats live in a parallel universe where they invent “horrible things” and then do what they do best, lie and whine, whine and lie.

By: sashal

sashal — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:04:02 +0000

You see, the right’s treason is in their trampling of the Constitution and the crimes against humanity committed in their quest for imperial power. The left’s treason is… well talking about the horrible things be done by the right. One has caused mass casualties, the other has made the guilty parties look, well, guilty.

Equating the two is absurd.

By: George Sorwell

George Sorwell — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:55:45 +0000

What Lynx said.

By: djman1141

djman1141 — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:18:26 +0000

I’m sure that the victims of Soros-cide thought they were clever, but they let the dirty little secret out too soon, If anyone is going to betray us, the followers of UK convicted felon Soros will be the ones to do so.

By: elemming

elemming — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:29:29 +0000

1. The ad got everybody talking about it.

2. This is a PR general worse than Gen. Westmoreland. He is making up his chart numbers. He seems to have spend more time this past month doing PR for the White House than running this surge. His statements of the past several years have always said the same thing, Bush’s plan is working and just needs more time.

By: Sam

Sam — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:25:27 +0000

MoveOn lost my support some time ago. They are frankly trying to whip up the left and moderates using the same tactics I have been complaining about and disgusted with from the right. I think now that the left feels somewhat vindicated since last novembers elections they have mistaken public dislike of the conservative gov’t with blanket approval of leftist opinions even if they use the same cheap tricks. A stupid political mistake that I see will put the same type of douchebags back in office we thought we just got rid of.

By: Marc Schulman

Marc Schulman — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:40:01 +0000

Does MoveOn believe that their ad will persuade anyone to adopt its position on the war? I bet it will have exactly the opposite effect.

By: Lynx

Lynx — Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:30:56 +0000

In addition to being wrong for all the reasons stated above, it’s shabby and childish. Geez, it’s the sort of thing you might chortle over a beer with (more likely if it were at least the third beer) but what dimwit said “Cool man, let’s put that in the New York Times!”

This is the sort of thing that happens, on both the left and the right, with echo-chambers. You live in the kind bubble that encourages groupthink, so that really stupid ideas like this get no critical analysis before they get implemented. The administration must be thrilled, something is finally going to make them look good.