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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study is what it is and provides food for thought.

I&#039;m not at all sure what it means, though.
If you asked some very devout and devoted Christians if they think of htemselves first as Christians or as Americans, what would they answer?

Terrorism has also served to separate Muslims into their own psychological and social enclave, as I suspect,and many have expressed., Being aware that they&#039;re looked at with fear and suspiciton, there would be a natural tendency to circle the wagons and to stick with the safety and acceptance of  their own kind. There might well be a push and pull aspect to all this.

But beyond all that, I&#039;m not sure how being inegrated is defined.  In the US, for example, there are segregated neighborhoods, schools and social groupings.  Actively seeking integration and diversity is increasingly met with strident resistance.
Are there parallels between race relations and the situation with Muslims?

The bottom line question is about loyalty, I presume.
To get to hat issue through the prism of integration requires more in-depth study, the kind summay overviews can;t provide.
This would seem to be fertile ground for budding as well as established sociologists.  I thope many of them turn to it for much needed study.  We all talk about it, wax eloquesnt about it and form definitive opinions about it, but no one really understands it, IMO. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study is what it is and provides food for thought.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all sure what it means, though.<br />
If you asked some very devout and devoted Christians if they think of htemselves first as Christians or as Americans, what would they answer?</p>
<p>Terrorism has also served to separate Muslims into their own psychological and social enclave, as I suspect,and many have expressed., Being aware that they&#8217;re looked at with fear and suspiciton, there would be a natural tendency to circle the wagons and to stick with the safety and acceptance of  their own kind. There might well be a push and pull aspect to all this.</p>
<p>But beyond all that, I&#8217;m not sure how being inegrated is defined.  In the US, for example, there are segregated neighborhoods, schools and social groupings.  Actively seeking integration and diversity is increasingly met with strident resistance.<br />
Are there parallels between race relations and the situation with Muslims?</p>
<p>The bottom line question is about loyalty, I presume.<br />
To get to hat issue through the prism of integration requires more in-depth study, the kind summay overviews can;t provide.<br />
This would seem to be fertile ground for budding as well as established sociologists.  I thope many of them turn to it for much needed study.  We all talk about it, wax eloquesnt about it and form definitive opinions about it, but no one really understands it, IMO. .</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14945/immigration-in-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-97432</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, and in the case of Muslims in higher paying jobs, very counter-intuitive. I had always assumed that part of the reason that Europe has less integration of Muslims than the US was because the US got Muslims of greater education, more middle class urban and less lower class rural. This study casts a lot of doubt on that, though it would serve to explain the terrorists-medical doctor.

Still, I think that in order to make the results really significant, they would have to be done for &quot;British identity&quot; and not so much for &quot;Muslim identity&quot;. I&#039;m fairly willing to believe that the stronger the Muslim identity the weaker the national identity, but it strikes me that this correlation probably has a lot of exceptions. As far as how potentially dangerous non-integration of Muslims is, I think it&#039;s so for those who don&#039;t really feel connected to the country they live in. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised that if you felt &quot;very British&quot; you&#039;d be no danger to anyone, no matter how Muslim you felt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, and in the case of Muslims in higher paying jobs, very counter-intuitive. I had always assumed that part of the reason that Europe has less integration of Muslims than the US was because the US got Muslims of greater education, more middle class urban and less lower class rural. This study casts a lot of doubt on that, though it would serve to explain the terrorists-medical doctor.</p>
<p>Still, I think that in order to make the results really significant, they would have to be done for &#8220;British identity&#8221; and not so much for &#8220;Muslim identity&#8221;. I&#8217;m fairly willing to believe that the stronger the Muslim identity the weaker the national identity, but it strikes me that this correlation probably has a lot of exceptions. As far as how potentially dangerous non-integration of Muslims is, I think it&#8217;s so for those who don&#8217;t really feel connected to the country they live in. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised that if you felt &#8220;very British&#8221; you&#8217;d be no danger to anyone, no matter how Muslim you felt.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That certainly seems to be different from what was recently reported in research on Muslims in the United States.  Perhaps there&#039;s some notable difference between the Muslim experience in the UK from that in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That certainly seems to be different from what was recently reported in research on Muslims in the United States.  Perhaps there&#8217;s some notable difference between the Muslim experience in the UK from that in the US.</p>
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