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		<title>By: PianoMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>PianoMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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[...] Good piano performance. Thanks heaps for this!... if anyone else has anything it would be much appreciated. Great website http://www.en.Grand-Pianos.org Enjoy!...</description>
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<p>[...] Good piano performance. Thanks heaps for this!&#8230; if anyone else has anything it would be much appreciated. Great website <a href="http://www.en.Grand-Pianos.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.en.Grand-Pianos.org</a> Enjoy!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zareh</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14926/the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-97511</link>
		<dc:creator>Zareh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, Mr. Ben-David&#039;s article which you call &quot;good and interesting&quot;, is nothing but a political statement by a Deputy Chief of Mission of the Israeli Embassy. It is a political statement in its content and spirit designed to achieve an end. He conveniently choses so-called sources, which can only be qualified as dubious at best, to distort history. The shallowest research would reveal the bankruptcy of Mr. Ben-Davids ideas. To name a few: All of a sudden we are hearing about &quot;thousands of Jews&quot; who have been supposedly massacred by Armenians. Wouldn&#039;t you think that if such were the case the State of Israel would have already erected a monument or a memorial for such victims or the Jewish historians would have at least talked about it? If the Armenians had committed atrocities on such a scale that the Turkish government tries to equate the losses on both sides, wouldn&#039;t you think that Turkey herself would have built a memorial long time ago in central Ankara or Istanbul? Instead what we have is a hurriedly built monument in a tiny border town of Igdir a few years ago to show that they too have been the victims of genocide...by Armenians, after a ninety year&#039;s delay.

And finally, to &quot;justify&quot; that genocide could not have happened against the Armenians Ben-David talks about the recent conflict with Azerbaijan as if the issues are at all related. Forgetting that it was Azerbaijan who started the violent conflict in the first place, and this, Michael, you can check easily because it wasn&#039;t long ago that major American newsmedia was reporting the mass expulsion of Armenians from then Soviet Azerbaijan, Mr. Ben-David presents Armenians as aggressors. 

What nation wouldn&#039;t defend her sons and daughters from open aggression demonstrated by Soviet and later independent Azerbaijan?Would he equally present Israel as the aggressor in its fight against Hamas or Hizbollah? Furthermore, we witnessed last year the deaths of over a thousand Lebanese as a result of the Israeli military operations, would he endorse someone who uses that tragedy to counter argue the reality of the Holocaust? No.

So, Michael, Ben-Davids &quot;good&quot; article is not worth the paper he wrote on and  therefore it is garbage not worth quoting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, Mr. Ben-David&#8217;s article which you call &#8220;good and interesting&#8221;, is nothing but a political statement by a Deputy Chief of Mission of the Israeli Embassy. It is a political statement in its content and spirit designed to achieve an end. He conveniently choses so-called sources, which can only be qualified as dubious at best, to distort history. The shallowest research would reveal the bankruptcy of Mr. Ben-Davids ideas. To name a few: All of a sudden we are hearing about &#8220;thousands of Jews&#8221; who have been supposedly massacred by Armenians. Wouldn&#8217;t you think that if such were the case the State of Israel would have already erected a monument or a memorial for such victims or the Jewish historians would have at least talked about it? If the Armenians had committed atrocities on such a scale that the Turkish government tries to equate the losses on both sides, wouldn&#8217;t you think that Turkey herself would have built a memorial long time ago in central Ankara or Istanbul? Instead what we have is a hurriedly built monument in a tiny border town of Igdir a few years ago to show that they too have been the victims of genocide&#8230;by Armenians, after a ninety year&#8217;s delay.</p>
<p>And finally, to &#8220;justify&#8221; that genocide could not have happened against the Armenians Ben-David talks about the recent conflict with Azerbaijan as if the issues are at all related. Forgetting that it was Azerbaijan who started the violent conflict in the first place, and this, Michael, you can check easily because it wasn&#8217;t long ago that major American newsmedia was reporting the mass expulsion of Armenians from then Soviet Azerbaijan, Mr. Ben-David presents Armenians as aggressors. </p>
<p>What nation wouldn&#8217;t defend her sons and daughters from open aggression demonstrated by Soviet and later independent Azerbaijan?Would he equally present Israel as the aggressor in its fight against Hamas or Hizbollah? Furthermore, we witnessed last year the deaths of over a thousand Lebanese as a result of the Israeli military operations, would he endorse someone who uses that tragedy to counter argue the reality of the Holocaust? No.</p>
<p>So, Michael, Ben-Davids &#8220;good&#8221; article is not worth the paper he wrote on and  therefore it is garbage not worth quoting.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14926/the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-97419</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There must be a full moon out tonight, because I find I&#039;m in complete agreement with MVDG

This is a simmering problem in the US, as well.  There are powerful groups who oppose any negative narratives in school boolks and consider it &#039;anti-Ameircan&#039; to bring up incidents like the forced march of the Navajos ordered by our hero Kit Carson.
While I think it&#039;s important to not get stuck in guilt and shame for past events, I think it&#039;s a bad mistake to keep the past hidden.  Sooner or later, these things come out, and they seem even worse if they come as a surprise.  Secrecy leads to suspicions, and suspicions lead to imagining even worse things than the reality of it.
Are you listening, Mr. Bush?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There must be a full moon out tonight, because I find I&#8217;m in complete agreement with MVDG</p>
<p>This is a simmering problem in the US, as well.  There are powerful groups who oppose any negative narratives in school boolks and consider it &#8216;anti-Ameircan&#8217; to bring up incidents like the forced march of the Navajos ordered by our hero Kit Carson.<br />
While I think it&#8217;s important to not get stuck in guilt and shame for past events, I think it&#8217;s a bad mistake to keep the past hidden.  Sooner or later, these things come out, and they seem even worse if they come as a surprise.  Secrecy leads to suspicions, and suspicions lead to imagining even worse things than the reality of it.<br />
Are you listening, Mr. Bush?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14926/the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-97385</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - every country in the world should fess up to its autrocities. The Netherlands is not exactly innocent either. We misbehaved tremendously in Indonesia during the so-called &quot;politionele acties.&quot; In short, we killed a tremendous amount of Indos, men, women, and children. One of the Dutch greatest military leaders has been quoted as saying &quot;chop their heads off boys!&quot;

Serious.

The sad thing? Once we admitted to this, now reports appear that say that the Dutch government has cut these pages out of history books in schools. When asked about it, the government explained that this does not fit into what they want to teach, which is children to be proud of our nation. I am all for the latter, but I do not quite see how denying the past accomplishes that in the long run, and it is completely dishonest. Being proud of your nation doesn&#039;tmean you cannot admit the nation did some horrible things, it&#039;s believing that your country is great despite those things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; every country in the world should fess up to its autrocities. The Netherlands is not exactly innocent either. We misbehaved tremendously in Indonesia during the so-called &#8220;politionele acties.&#8221; In short, we killed a tremendous amount of Indos, men, women, and children. One of the Dutch greatest military leaders has been quoted as saying &#8220;chop their heads off boys!&#8221;</p>
<p>Serious.</p>
<p>The sad thing? Once we admitted to this, now reports appear that say that the Dutch government has cut these pages out of history books in schools. When asked about it, the government explained that this does not fit into what they want to teach, which is children to be proud of our nation. I am all for the latter, but I do not quite see how denying the past accomplishes that in the long run, and it is completely dishonest. Being proud of your nation doesn&#8217;tmean you cannot admit the nation did some horrible things, it&#8217;s believing that your country is great despite those things.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opening up the archives is always good. I just wanted to add that massacring civilians is bad even when many of the civilians are bad. When the Hutu were slaughtering Tutsis by the tens of thousands in Rwanda a decade ago, it would not have been okay for the Tutsis to turn around and do the same against Hutu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opening up the archives is always good. I just wanted to add that massacring civilians is bad even when many of the civilians are bad. When the Hutu were slaughtering Tutsis by the tens of thousands in Rwanda a decade ago, it would not have been okay for the Tutsis to turn around and do the same against Hutu.</p>
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		<title>By: jdledell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14926/the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-97367</link>
		<dc:creator>jdledell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael - I generally agree with your position that all sides and all countries should open their archives for everyone to see - the good, bad and ugly. National narratives should be constructed on the truth - not myths. 

One side comment when I read Ben-David&#039;s article. He could not resist the obligatory slam against the Palestinians so that the Jerusalem Post would print his article. As an additional point, Israel still has a LONG way to go in examining the truths behind it&#039;s founding narrative. When Israel fully reveals the atrocities committed by Irgun, Stern Gang et al then I will agree with Ben-David. From my Grandfathers stories to the Irgun reunion I attended in 1956 there is a LOT yet to be revealed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael &#8211; I generally agree with your position that all sides and all countries should open their archives for everyone to see &#8211; the good, bad and ugly. National narratives should be constructed on the truth &#8211; not myths. </p>
<p>One side comment when I read Ben-David&#8217;s article. He could not resist the obligatory slam against the Palestinians so that the Jerusalem Post would print his article. As an additional point, Israel still has a LONG way to go in examining the truths behind it&#8217;s founding narrative. When Israel fully reveals the atrocities committed by Irgun, Stern Gang et al then I will agree with Ben-David. From my Grandfathers stories to the Irgun reunion I attended in 1956 there is a LOT yet to be revealed.</p>
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