Comments on: Donald Trump, Birtherism, Fox News, and GOP $1 Billion Means Obama in Battle of His Career http://themoderatevoice.com/148564/donald-trump-birtherism-fox-news-and-gop-1-billion-means-obama-in-battle-of-his-career/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Fri, 19 Apr 2013 14:57:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: TAYLOR MARSH, Guest Voice Columnist http://themoderatevoice.com/148564/donald-trump-birtherism-fox-news-and-gop-1-billion-means-obama-in-battle-of-his-career/comment-page-1/#comment-309824 TAYLOR MARSH, Guest Voice Columnist Thu, 31 May 2012 19:37:52 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=148564#comment-309824 merkin says…

“Just as I suspected, Mitt was an anchor baby!”

LOLZ! Too much.

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By: slamfu http://themoderatevoice.com/148564/donald-trump-birtherism-fox-news-and-gop-1-billion-means-obama-in-battle-of-his-career/comment-page-1/#comment-309819 slamfu Thu, 31 May 2012 18:53:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=148564#comment-309819 I was going to quote a line from merkin’s post to say amen to, but as I read I realized the quote was going to include his entire post. So amen to pretty much the whole thing. The GOP is simply there to fabricate whatever narrative they need to say Obama sucks, even if what he is putting on the table was their own idea at one point. There is no dealing with those guys. That they have basically, as a group, stated they want to employ policies that not only mirror George Bush’s, but the same policies that led up to the crash of 1929 despite what history has shown us, is just insane in my opinion. We know where it leads. How anyone can be on board with their ideas is beyond me.

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By: merkin http://themoderatevoice.com/148564/donald-trump-birtherism-fox-news-and-gop-1-billion-means-obama-in-battle-of-his-career/comment-page-1/#comment-309810 merkin Thu, 31 May 2012 17:16:04 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=148564#comment-309810

Obama has brought some of this on himself. Had he led from his early election rhetoric that he was going to be the leader of all Americans, not blue state or red state Americans, then he would not have the divided America he has today from his 1%/99%.

Obama tried to reach a middle ground with the Republicans. He based his health care imitative on a Republican proposal originally written by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by the current conservative standard bearer, Mitt Romney. This is in spite of the fact that it is a poor idea, relying on the private, for profit, costly, insurance companies, prohibiting any competition for them from the only source that has ever been able to provide low cost insurance and health care cost containment in the US, the not for profit, community rate based organization, the so-called community option. He had no idea that the Republicans would reject their own proposal, demonizing their own idea, just because Obama proposed it. And that they would not even make a counter proposal, indicating that they had no intention of compromising, that they would simply obstruct any proposal that Obama made, that they were willing to continue to live with the ever increasing cost of health care, and the ever increasing numbers of people who could no longer afford it, the ever increasing numbers of people thrown into bankruptcy because of it.

If the cost of health care in the US was the same as the average cost of health care in the other developed countries, we would have no budget deficit and businesses in the US would be relieved of more costs than they pay in federal corporate taxes. Both are stated aims of the Republican party, where once again they failed to do anything but talk.

The same thing happened with the other massive problem facing the country, climate change. Obama took up a Republican proposal to deal with the problem, cap and trade, designed to cut out the pound of flesh required to pay off the Republican’s lords and masters, Wall Street. Once again the Republicans rejected and demonized their own idea, the proposal of their own candidate for President in 2008. They even went so far as to deny that a problem exists, going against the positions of their two previous presidential candidates.

These weren’t the only areas in which the Republicans refused to compromise, even on the basis of proposals that they had made. In fact, it is hard to think of a single instance where Obama didn’t come more than half way, only to find the Republicans retreating en mass

Obama didn’t start the class war. It is the Republicans who decided to fight openly and vigorously for the very wealthy at the cost of everyone else. It is the Republicans who proposed wage suppression for the middle class. It is the Republicans who proposed the deregulation that has repeatedly resulted in one financial crisis after another, from the Savings and Loan mess, the stock market and commodity market bubbles to the Great Financial Crisis and Recession that cost 7 trillion dollars in the nation’s net worth, primarily from the middle class. All to allow a few already rich speculators to make more money basically gambling, while knowing that the government will cover their losses. And the Republicans are promising to remove the relatively tame regulations put in force to help prevent future crises and in fact are promising even more deregulation and even more and larger problems in the future.

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By: slamfu http://themoderatevoice.com/148564/donald-trump-birtherism-fox-news-and-gop-1-billion-means-obama-in-battle-of-his-career/comment-page-1/#comment-309800 slamfu Thu, 31 May 2012 15:20:05 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=148564#comment-309800 “I would like to see legislation that requires all speech, written or spoken, to include complete subject material and not statements or comments taken out of context and used in negative ads.”

While that would be nice, FOX news has already won their court case vs. Jane Akre and her husband, setting the precedent that they have the 1st amendment right to put out information they know to be false or misleading. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Akre

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By: RP http://themoderatevoice.com/148564/donald-trump-birtherism-fox-news-and-gop-1-billion-means-obama-in-battle-of-his-career/comment-page-1/#comment-309798 RP Thu, 31 May 2012 15:04:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=148564#comment-309798 Obama has brought some of this on himself. Had he led from his early election rhetoric that he was going to be the leader of all Americans, not blue state or red state Americans, then he would not have the divided America he has today from his 1%/99% America. Some that are in the middle class that pay income tax relate more to the 1% than they do to the 40% that do not pay any income tax.

As for the money, I would like to see one thing happen before anything happens with money. I would like to see legislation that requires all speech, written or spoken, to include complete subject material and not statements or comments taken out of context and used in negative ads.

I believe more harm comes from misinformation due to PACS and candidates not having to tell 100% of the truth than would come from $1B in truthful advertising. Wonder how SCOTUS would view a “truth in compaigning law” where freedom of speech was not infringed on as long as everything was said and not just distorted speech

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By: merkin http://themoderatevoice.com/148564/donald-trump-birtherism-fox-news-and-gop-1-billion-means-obama-in-battle-of-his-career/comment-page-1/#comment-309797 merkin Thu, 31 May 2012 14:42:25 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/?p=148564#comment-309797 Just as I suspected, Mitt was an anchor baby!

Of course, Wall Street will throw their full weight behind the Republicans. The only issue that truly matters to the mandarins of the Republican party is to use the government to transfer as much of the nation’s income and wealth to the already wealthy as possible. This is also Wall Street’s main goal for the government.

The issues like gay marriage and abortion are only important because they provide the votes needed for the transfer of wealth from people who are willing to do the one thing the mandarins would never do, vote against their own economic self-interests.

Truth be told, the Republicans would prefer that the gay marriage and abortion issues not be resolved, that these issues continue to divide the country and provide continued conservative support for the transfer of wealth to the wealthy. If these issues were resolved, new ones would just have to be found and hyped up by the right wing media machine to generate the votes needed to continue the looting of the middle class.

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