Comments on: What do the Sunni insurgents think? http://themoderatevoice.com/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Mon, 28 May 2012 02:47:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Grassroots reconciliation: A new bogus talking point » The Moderate Voice http://themoderatevoice.com/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-97253 Grassroots reconciliation: A new bogus talking point » The Moderate Voice Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:12:32 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/#comment-97253 [...] group) that I referenced last week made the same reference to the intolerable life under AQI rule. The implication is clear: Sunnis have rejected Al Qaeda, but they have not embraced either Maliki, [...] [...] group) that I referenced last week made the same reference to the intolerable life under AQI rule. The implication is clear: Sunnis have rejected Al Qaeda, but they have not embraced either Maliki, [...]

]]> By: C Heinz http://themoderatevoice.com/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-96959 C Heinz Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:35:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/#comment-96959 The "Anbar Awakening" has been by far the greatest success in the entire Iraqi occupation - a far greater success than even the much vaunted Surge. It is natural that those who believe a complete and unambigious American victory is still possible would seize on this success with both hands. However they seem to have put all their eggs in one basket. If the Awakening falters, then their cause could be irretrievably lost. The “Anbar Awakening” has been by far the greatest success in the entire Iraqi occupation – a far greater success than even the much vaunted Surge. It is natural that those who believe a complete and unambigious American victory is still possible would seize on this success with both hands. However they seem to have put all their eggs in one basket. If the Awakening falters, then their cause could be irretrievably lost.

]]> By: domajot http://themoderatevoice.com/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-96788 domajot Thu, 30 Aug 2007 08:26:51 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/#comment-96788 The US has such a long history of supporting and arming the enemies of our enemies, that it has become a national tradition. Always, there are aftershocks. Iraq is somewhat different because there are so many overlapping problems. Outside players like Iran and Saudi Arabia complicate the internal Sunni-Shia conflict. AQ just makes everything worse and more difficult. I can't help but be glad that some Sunni insurgents turned on AQ, but from the very beginning, I've had concerns about the risk our alliance with the insurgents poses. I think Grognard is right to wonder how exasperated the Shias must feel, when we collaborate with Sunni militias while preaching against Shia militias. Sometimes I think that the one thing that will bring the sects of Iraq together is thei unfied invitation for the US to go away. Elrotd- You brought up Lebanon. That country is very shaky today. It shows how very fragile a multi-sect country can be, even years after the official end of figting and the formation of a unity governemtn. Even if Iraq gets as far as Leganon did, it's future will remain at risk in the same way, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up having and tolerating its own version of Hezbollah. The US has such a long history of supporting and arming the enemies of our enemies, that it has become a national tradition. Always, there are aftershocks.

Iraq is somewhat different because there are so many overlapping problems. Outside players like Iran and Saudi Arabia complicate the internal Sunni-Shia conflict. AQ just makes everything worse and more difficult.

I can’t help but be glad that some Sunni insurgents turned on AQ, but from the very beginning, I’ve had concerns about the risk our alliance with the insurgents poses.
I think Grognard is right to wonder how exasperated the Shias must feel, when we collaborate with Sunni militias while preaching against Shia militias.
Sometimes I think that the one thing that will bring the sects of Iraq together is thei unfied invitation for the US to go away.

Elrotd-
You brought up Lebanon. That country is very shaky today. It shows how very fragile a multi-sect country can be, even years after the official end of figting and the formation of a unity governemtn.
Even if Iraq gets as far as Leganon did, it’s future will remain at risk in the same way, IMO. I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up having and tolerating its own version of Hezbollah.

]]> By: Elrod http://themoderatevoice.com/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-96781 Elrod Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:35:19 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/#comment-96781 Somebody, While I agree that at some point the various warring parties will agree that they've had enough of killing, I don't think for a second that we've arrived at that point yet. Think of Lebanon, a more similar conflict than Bosnia: it took 15 years for the parties to bleed themselves dry. The situation in Iraq is even more unstable with the central government in such a dubious state. What outsider is going to come in and solve the crisis (as the US did in Bosnia in 1995)? There have certainly been moments where different population groups have decided that insurgent forces were out of control and needed to be stopped: think of Najaf in August 2004, or the response to AQI in Anbar. But none of that has led to any strengthening of the central government, which is critical to a lasting solution in Iraq. Somebody,
While I agree that at some point the various warring parties will agree that they’ve had enough of killing, I don’t think for a second that we’ve arrived at that point yet. Think of Lebanon, a more similar conflict than Bosnia: it took 15 years for the parties to bleed themselves dry. The situation in Iraq is even more unstable with the central government in such a dubious state. What outsider is going to come in and solve the crisis (as the US did in Bosnia in 1995)? There have certainly been moments where different population groups have decided that insurgent forces were out of control and needed to be stopped: think of Najaf in August 2004, or the response to AQI in Anbar. But none of that has led to any strengthening of the central government, which is critical to a lasting solution in Iraq.

]]> By: piniella http://themoderatevoice.com/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-96780 piniella Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:28:20 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/#comment-96780 The Sunnis in Anbar pretty much hate the Shiites and oppose the central government. http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2007/08/anbar-update.html http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2007/08/second-insurgency.html The Sunnis in Anbar pretty much hate the Shiites and oppose the central government.

http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2007/08/anbar-update.html

http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2007/08/second-insurgency.html

]]> By: grognard http://themoderatevoice.com/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-96778 grognard Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:26:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/#comment-96778 I have been wondering what the Shiites are thinking, while the Sunnis are allowed to have an “authorized” militia the Mahdi army is being dismembered. Eventually some might draw the conclusion that we are supporting a Ba’athist return to power. Considering the Shiite history of betrayal this is could develop into a dangerous situation as we try to walk the tightrope between the factions. I have been wondering what the Shiites are thinking, while the Sunnis are allowed to have an “authorized” militia the Mahdi army is being dismembered. Eventually some might draw the conclusion that we are supporting a Ba’athist return to power. Considering the Shiite history of betrayal this is could develop into a dangerous situation as we try to walk the tightrope between the factions.

]]> By: Somebody http://themoderatevoice.com/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/comment-page-1/#comment-96774 Somebody Thu, 30 Aug 2007 01:59:06 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/general/14824/what-do-the-sunni-insurgents-think/#comment-96774 What I think we are seeing is exactly what we saw in Bosnia. The terrorist/civil warriors killed each other without compunction over and over until finally they woke up one morning and said. "Okay were tired. Lets try to bring some peace to our countries." This is the patience we have all been preaching for 4 years now. Which is about the time it took the Civil war in Bosnia to run its course. These people may be on a different wave length then we are but at the end of the day it is STILL THEIR COUNTRY THEY ARE DESTROYING. Not ours. What I think we are seeing is exactly what we saw in Bosnia.

The terrorist/civil warriors killed each other without compunction over and over until finally they woke up one morning and said.

“Okay were tired. Lets try to bring some peace to our countries.”

This is the patience we have all been preaching for 4 years now. Which is about the time it took the Civil war in Bosnia to run its course.

These people may be on a different wave length then we are but at the end of the day it is STILL THEIR COUNTRY THEY ARE DESTROYING.

Not ours.

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