Comments on: Republicans Put Wide Stance Between Themselves And Craig http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:27:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: domajot http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96752 domajot Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:16:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96752 Joe, I love your 'wide-stance' title. Likewise the one about Craig's career 'stalling'. Joe,
I love your ‘wide-stance’ title.
Likewise the one about Craig’s career ‘stalling’.

]]> By: casualobserver http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96714 casualobserver Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:08:52 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96714 Your gotcha point is duly noted. It was the "results" of the '06 elections that got me paying attention to things......so this first Craig thing blew by me. I will give Greenwald his point as well......other than the "release at election time" defense, the switchers seem to lack basis. Your gotcha point is duly noted. It was the “results” of the ’06 elections that got me paying attention to things……so this first Craig thing blew by me.

I will give Greenwald his point as well……other than the “release at election time” defense, the switchers seem to lack basis.

]]> By: Davebo http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96680 Davebo Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:38:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96680 CasualObserver, You shold probably click the link to Greenwald's post on this before you start talking about how conservative bloggers have dealt with this. Including some you list. CasualObserver,

You shold probably click the link to Greenwald’s post on this before you start talking about how conservative bloggers have dealt with this.

Including some you list.

]]> By: Geoduck http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96678 Geoduck Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:32:42 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96678 TMV team: Craig's indiscretions have a historical signifiance. A bit of history that makes Craig's affair more tragic. Boise, in those days was a conservative LDS (Mormon) conclave. In the mid fifty's Idaho had a first class "Witch Hunt" in the traditional fashion. There was a hunt for all "homosexuals", then there was no distinction between gays, pedophiles, or sexual predators. To be accused was proof of guilt. Little league coaches and the like were hunted down. The accused typically received very long prison sentences. Many lives were ruined and this a black mark that haunted a generation. It was actually the small community of moderates that brought this to national attention and got cooler heads to prevail. The open gay community was basically wiped out, remaining gays went deeper in the closet. I believe a recent documentary movie was made about those times. Sexual intolerance is the issue, it does not go away. It has once again destroyed another person's life, independent of the political leanings. Pan TMV team:
Craig’s indiscretions have a historical signifiance. A bit of history that makes Craig’s affair more tragic. Boise, in those days was a conservative LDS (Mormon) conclave. In the mid fifty’s Idaho had a first class “Witch Hunt” in the traditional fashion. There was a hunt for all “homosexuals”, then there was no distinction between gays, pedophiles, or sexual predators. To be accused was proof of guilt. Little league coaches and the like were hunted down. The accused typically received very long prison sentences. Many lives were ruined and this a black mark that haunted a generation. It was actually the small community of moderates that brought this to national attention and got cooler heads to prevail. The open gay community was basically wiped out, remaining gays went deeper in the closet. I believe a recent documentary movie was made about those times. Sexual intolerance is the issue, it does not go away. It has once again destroyed another person’s life, independent of the political leanings.
Pan

]]> By: kritter http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96668 kritter Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:30:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96668 Casual- I think Dems believe the '06 results were due to both opposition to the war and to Republican corruption. They mounted a campaign against it to regain control of Congress, remember? Casual- I think Dems believe the ’06 results were due to both opposition to the war and to Republican corruption. They mounted a campaign against it to regain control of Congress, remember?

]]> By: Center of the U.S. http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96666 Center of the U.S. Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:16:33 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96666 <strong>Signifigance, Outrage, Apathy...</strong> A steady stream of news has delivered several examples of missteps and dumb moves from the Republicans and Democrats; the former has had more than its fair share in recent months, though they were merely catching up. Ye old pendulum-swing of power. I f... Signifigance, Outrage, Apathy…

A steady stream of news has delivered several examples of missteps and dumb moves from the Republicans and Democrats; the former has had more than its fair share in recent months, though they were merely catching up. Ye old pendulum-swing of power. I f…

]]> By: casualobserver http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96638 casualobserver Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:48:54 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96638 Since the "non-conservatives" here always indicate that conservative talk radio rules the roost, I guess I should listen to it once in awhile. However, I think that Townhall, Redstate, CQ et al is where the active and motivated conservative voices are nowadays. And none of them are giving much quarter to Craig.........just as they gave no quarter to Foley and the 4 or 5 other Republicans that followed since. While Dems believed the election margins in '06 were only about "let's leave Iraq" (and hopefully they will continue to believe that for '08), most Republicans I talk with believe the more lasting element is the good, old-fashioned traits of corruption, arrogance and immorality. In those conversations, we say the sooner they are weeded out in advance of '08 the better. Since the “non-conservatives” here always indicate that conservative talk radio rules the roost, I guess I should listen to it once in awhile.

However, I think that Townhall, Redstate, CQ et al is where the active and motivated conservative voices are nowadays. And none of them are giving much quarter to Craig………just as they gave no quarter to Foley and the 4 or 5 other Republicans that followed since.

While Dems believed the election margins in ’06 were only about “let’s leave Iraq” (and hopefully they will continue to believe that for ’08), most Republicans I talk with believe the more lasting element is the good, old-fashioned traits of corruption, arrogance and immorality.

In those conversations, we say the sooner they are weeded out in advance of ’08 the better.

]]> By: kritter http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96611 kritter Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:28:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96611 It is true that Democrats are more forgiving of their own, as most Democratic politicians don't run on family values platforms, and can accept openly gay members of Congress. The problem, imo, would not be whether Craig is gay or not, but his hypocrisy, attempts to use his position to avoid arrest and prosecution, and his transparent lies to his constituency about the situation in yesterday's press conference. Likewise, Clinton's perjury and obstruction of justice bothered me more than whether he had an affair with an intern. I do find it interesting that the right seems unable to deal with this issue without bringing up Clinton from 10 years ago(again!) and even Barney Frank's cohabitation with a male prostitute- from twenty years ago. It seems to be a serious problem within the GOP right now, and deflecting blame by lying and bringing up the past won't solve anything. It is true that Democrats are more forgiving of their own, as most Democratic politicians don’t run on family values platforms, and can accept openly gay members of Congress. The problem, imo, would not be whether Craig is gay or not, but his hypocrisy, attempts to use his position to avoid arrest and prosecution, and his transparent lies to his constituency about the situation in yesterday’s press conference.

Likewise, Clinton’s perjury and obstruction of justice bothered me more than whether he had an affair with an intern.

I do find it interesting that the right seems unable to deal with this issue without bringing up Clinton from 10 years ago(again!) and even Barney Frank’s cohabitation with a male prostitute- from twenty years ago. It seems to be a serious problem within the GOP right now, and deflecting blame by lying and bringing up the past won’t solve anything.

]]> By: Lynx http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96600 Lynx Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:36:11 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96600 Though it has been said many times before the main difference between sexual scandals involving democrats and republicans is that, in general, democrats are less likely to run on the "family values" moral ticket. It's not so much the sex as the hypocrisy. Giuliani, whose had plenty of escapades and enjoys women’s clothing just a tad too much, doesn't get much flak for it (despite some wishful thinking on the parts of many Democrats) since he's never been much about moral grandstanding. As far as scandals go, I think that probably the Clinton affair was worse, since it involved an intern, and hence an imbalance of power, and the lying made it worse. Of course impeaching someone because of lying about a bj is ridiculous, but so is allowing multiple deceptions about a war to go un-punished. I guess it could hurt the GOP with the base, the only people who authentically give a damn about the sex lives of anyone outside themselves. Personally I find it rather repugnant that a sex scandal (especially gay) provokes panicked fleeing of your colleagues, but comparatively worse things (lying about intelligence, war profiteering and general corruption) has no such effect. Though it has been said many times before the main difference between sexual scandals involving democrats and republicans is that, in general, democrats are less likely to run on the “family values” moral ticket. It’s not so much the sex as the hypocrisy. Giuliani, whose had plenty of escapades and enjoys women’s clothing just a tad too much, doesn’t get much flak for it (despite some wishful thinking on the parts of many Democrats) since he’s never been much about moral grandstanding.

As far as scandals go, I think that probably the Clinton affair was worse, since it involved an intern, and hence an imbalance of power, and the lying made it worse. Of course impeaching someone because of lying about a bj is ridiculous, but so is allowing multiple deceptions about a war to go un-punished.

I guess it could hurt the GOP with the base, the only people who authentically give a damn about the sex lives of anyone outside themselves. Personally I find it rather repugnant that a sex scandal (especially gay) provokes panicked fleeing of your colleagues, but comparatively worse things (lying about intelligence, war profiteering and general corruption) has no such effect.

]]> By: superdestroyer http://themoderatevoice.com/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/comment-page-1/#comment-96595 superdestroyer Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:09:05 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/14810/republicans-put-wide-stance-between-themselves-and-craig/#comment-96595 To the question of : <em>“The real question for Republicans in Washington is how low can you go, because we are approaching a level of ridiculousness,”</em> The answer is out of existence. The Republican have no good messenger, no message, no real leaders,no good young prospects, and have every demographic trend in the U.S. against them. The left side of the Democratic Party has learned the lessons that you are better off trying to affect the other party instead of actually running real campaign. Just look at the hyper-interested of Democratic acitivst in the Republican Primary while the total lack of interest among Democrats in their own primary candidates. The only question important to politics today is whether the Democratic Party gets 60 seats in the Senate starting in 2009 or do they have to wait until 2011. To the question of :

“The real question for Republicans in Washington is how low can you go, because we are approaching a level of ridiculousness,”

The answer is out of existence. The Republican have no good messenger, no message, no real leaders,no good young prospects, and have every demographic trend in the U.S. against them.

The left side of the Democratic Party has learned the lessons that you are better off trying to affect the other party instead of actually running real campaign. Just look at the hyper-interested of Democratic acitivst in the Republican Primary while the total lack of interest among Democrats in their own primary candidates.

The only question important to politics today is whether the Democratic Party gets 60 seats in the Senate starting in 2009 or do they have to wait until 2011.

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