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	<title>Comments on: GOP Proposes To Change Electoral College Awarding In California</title>
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		<title>By: Giuliani Fundraiser Was Behind Collapsed Effort To Change California&#8217; Electoral College Process &#187; The Moderate Voice</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14770/gop-proposes-to-change-electoral-college-awarding-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-100036</link>
		<dc:creator>Giuliani Fundraiser Was Behind Collapsed Effort To Change California&#8217; Electoral College Process &#187; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] our earlier post HERE which also notes that Democrats also sought this unsuccessfully in one state (but didn&#8217;t try [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] our earlier post HERE which also notes that Democrats also sought this unsuccessfully in one state (but didn&#8217;t try [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Giuliani Fundraiser Was Behind Collapsed Effort To Change California&#8217; Electoral College Process &#187; The Moderate Voice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giuliani Fundraiser Was Behind Collapsed Effort To Change California&#8217; Electoral College Process &#187; The Moderate Voice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] our earlier post HERE which also notes that Democrats also sought this unsuccessfully in one state (but didn&#8217;t try [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] our earlier post HERE which also notes that Democrats also sought this unsuccessfully in one state (but didn&#8217;t try [...]</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand the reasons for elections by state, and I can understand the reasons for wanitng elections by direct vote.  Anything in between just seems like tinkering, tempting more and more tinkering.
If California were to pass the new rules and the R/D ratio were to change in the future, then what?  Change back again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand the reasons for elections by state, and I can understand the reasons for wanitng elections by direct vote.  Anything in between just seems like tinkering, tempting more and more tinkering.<br />
If California were to pass the new rules and the R/D ratio were to change in the future, then what?  Change back again?</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14770/gop-proposes-to-change-electoral-college-awarding-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-96388</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Democratic&quot; plan (sarcasm quotes) on the other hand, probably fails constitutional barriers. It requires a non-legislative official to certify electors to the EC based on the votes not of Californians, but the nation as a whole. As structured it also requires what would appear to be a banned &quot;agreement or compact&quot; between states in violation of Art 1 Sec 10, one that attempts to circumvent and modify the relationship between the state and the federal government, end-running the amendment process and the EC. 

When the LAT says the plan would &quot;go with the popular vote&quot; its not the vote in California they&#039;re speaking of. Thus my sarcasm--it&#039;s apparently &quot;Democratic&quot; to go against the votes of your own state&#039;s citizens. 

Both sides, of course, favor the plan that favors their party most in current conditions. But only of the plans passes legal muster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Democratic&#8221; plan (sarcasm quotes) on the other hand, probably fails constitutional barriers. It requires a non-legislative official to certify electors to the EC based on the votes not of Californians, but the nation as a whole. As structured it also requires what would appear to be a banned &#8220;agreement or compact&#8221; between states in violation of Art 1 Sec 10, one that attempts to circumvent and modify the relationship between the state and the federal government, end-running the amendment process and the EC. </p>
<p>When the LAT says the plan would &#8220;go with the popular vote&#8221; its not the vote in California they&#8217;re speaking of. Thus my sarcasm&#8211;it&#8217;s apparently &#8220;Democratic&#8221; to go against the votes of your own state&#8217;s citizens. </p>
<p>Both sides, of course, favor the plan that favors their party most in current conditions. But only of the plans passes legal muster.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/14770/gop-proposes-to-change-electoral-college-awarding-in-california/comment-page-1/#comment-96386</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;On the other hand, I think the country is overdue on a nationwide regulation on national elections.&lt;/em&gt;

Which would require a Constitutional amendment, Lynx. One that will never pass. The only national election we really have is for president, and it&#039;s not the people who vote for president, it&#039;s the states. The system is tilted in favor of the smaller states &lt;a href=&quot;http://stubbornfacts.us/domestic_policy/the_electoral_college&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for good reason&lt;/a&gt;, and the design is completely intentional. 

The current California plan would be constitutional. Short-sighted of them, IMHO, but constitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>On the other hand, I think the country is overdue on a nationwide regulation on national elections.</em></p>
<p>Which would require a Constitutional amendment, Lynx. One that will never pass. The only national election we really have is for president, and it&#8217;s not the people who vote for president, it&#8217;s the states. The system is tilted in favor of the smaller states <a href="http://stubbornfacts.us/domestic_policy/the_electoral_college" rel="nofollow">for good reason</a>, and the design is completely intentional. </p>
<p>The current California plan would be constitutional. Short-sighted of them, IMHO, but constitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always thought that the &quot;winner take all&quot; method was strange. It doesn&#039;t make much sense to me that if 50%+1voter in California votes Democrat, ALL of the votes go to Democrats, hardly proportional is it? Now, I think it needs to be done nation-wide to maintain the balance of power. It&#039;s obvious that this move has less to do about fairness and a lot more to do with sending votes over to the GOP. Mind you, the same would be true if the Democrats attempted the same thing in Texas. 

I&#039;m perfectly fine with each state deciding how they elect their own local and state representatives; everything from mayors to governers to reps to senators. On the other hand, I think the country is overdue on a nationwide regulation on national elections. Not only the electoral votes but also voting methods, regulation and counting should be the same to ensure a balanced, representative result. Winner takes all or proportional votes or whatever, but everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always thought that the &#8220;winner take all&#8221; method was strange. It doesn&#8217;t make much sense to me that if 50%+1voter in California votes Democrat, ALL of the votes go to Democrats, hardly proportional is it? Now, I think it needs to be done nation-wide to maintain the balance of power. It&#8217;s obvious that this move has less to do about fairness and a lot more to do with sending votes over to the GOP. Mind you, the same would be true if the Democrats attempted the same thing in Texas. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m perfectly fine with each state deciding how they elect their own local and state representatives; everything from mayors to governers to reps to senators. On the other hand, I think the country is overdue on a nationwide regulation on national elections. Not only the electoral votes but also voting methods, regulation and counting should be the same to ensure a balanced, representative result. Winner takes all or proportional votes or whatever, but everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 05:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just another attempt to move us to a pure populist Presidential election. It wasn&#039;t good when we did it for the Senate, and it would be worse for Presidential politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just another attempt to move us to a pure populist Presidential election. It wasn&#8217;t good when we did it for the Senate, and it would be worse for Presidential politics.</p>
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