Comments on: Bush Doesn’t Get It. Bush Gets It. http://themoderatevoice.com/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 08:05:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: kritter http://themoderatevoice.com/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95984 kritter Thu, 23 Aug 2007 00:41:38 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/#comment-95984 Or because rich Republican contractors need lucrative no-bid contracts, and defense contractors need multi-billion dollar weapons sales. Isn't that what the booming economy is based on? Or because rich Republican contractors need lucrative no-bid contracts, and defense contractors need multi-billion dollar weapons sales. Isn’t that what the booming economy is based on?

]]> By: Sam http://themoderatevoice.com/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95968 Sam Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:48:03 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/#comment-95968 Oh please, Iraq oil is a drop in the bucket for our needs. If anything it was done to get worldwide oil prices up to their current levels. That way, it doesn't matter where you get it, you're still making 3x profit on the same stuff. Oh please, Iraq oil is a drop in the bucket for our needs. If anything it was done to get worldwide oil prices up to their current levels. That way, it doesn’t matter where you get it, you’re still making 3x profit on the same stuff.

]]> By: Chris http://themoderatevoice.com/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95962 Chris Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:07:47 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/#comment-95962 This is the reason all those Iraqis and Americans have had their lives destroyed: <strong>"By 2010 we will need 50 million barrels a day. The Middle East, with two-thirds of the oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize lies."</strong> - Dick Cheney, 1999 This is the reason all those Iraqis and Americans have had their lives destroyed:

“By 2010 we will need 50 million barrels a day. The Middle East, with two-thirds of the oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize lies.” – Dick Cheney, 1999

]]> By: Sam http://themoderatevoice.com/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95961 Sam Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:58:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/#comment-95961 Sounds like some generals are starting to get it finally. Democracy needs to be earned by the folks that are going to live in it, you can't just beat it into them. And Chris, why did we sacrifice all those lives? Because Bush is an idiot, and when idiots get power people get killed. Sounds like some generals are starting to get it finally. Democracy needs to be earned by the folks that are going to live in it, you can’t just beat it into them. And Chris, why did we sacrifice all those lives? Because Bush is an idiot, and when idiots get power people get killed.

]]> By: chrisp986 http://themoderatevoice.com/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95960 chrisp986 Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:55:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/#comment-95960 While I agree it does not make much difference if Maliki stays or goes I am stunned by one recent article reported today by CNN... excerpts below... <blockquote></blockquote> "But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country's nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren't as "lofty" as they once had been. "Democratic institutions are not necessarily the way ahead in the long-term future," said Brig. Gen. John "Mick" Bednarek, part of Task Force Lightning in Diyala province, one of the war's major battlegrounds.... ...Maj. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, commander of Task Force Lightning, also reflected a less lofty American goal for Iraq's future. "I would describe it as leaving an effective government behind that can provide services to its people, and security. It needs to be an effective and functioning government that is really a partner with the United States and the rest of the world in this fight against the terrorists," said Mixon, who will not be perturbed if such goals are reached without democracy. "Well, see that all over the Middle East," he said, stating that democracy is merely an option, that Iraqis are free to choose or reject." The rest of the report is linked below.... http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/22/iraq.democracy/index.html It seems now that the Bush and the neoconservative grand vision of Democratization may be fading and we may have removed one dictator ...only to now settle for something similar???? Granted, given the regional makeup and history , a non democratic government may be the only viable alternative. However if that is the case, and we know there were no WMD's ....why have we sacrificed over 4000 Americans and thousands of Iraqi's? While I agree it does not make much difference if Maliki stays or goes I am stunned by one recent article reported today by CNN…

excerpts below…

“But for the first time, exasperated front-line U.S. generals talk openly of non-democratic governmental alternatives, and while the two top U.S. officials in Iraq still talk about preserving the country’s nascent democratic institutions, they say their ambitions aren’t as “lofty” as they once had been.

“Democratic institutions are not necessarily the way ahead in the long-term future,” said Brig. Gen. John “Mick” Bednarek, part of Task Force Lightning in Diyala province, one of the war’s major battlegrounds….

…Maj. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, commander of Task Force Lightning, also reflected a less lofty American goal for Iraq’s future.

“I would describe it as leaving an effective government behind that can provide services to its people, and security. It needs to be an effective and functioning government that is really a partner with the United States and the rest of the world in this fight against the terrorists,” said Mixon, who will not be perturbed if such goals are reached without democracy.

“Well, see that all over the Middle East,” he said, stating that democracy is merely an option, that Iraqis are free to choose or reject.”

The rest of the report is linked below….

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/22/iraq.democracy/index.html

It seems now that the Bush and the neoconservative grand vision of Democratization may be fading and we may have removed one dictator …only to now settle for something similar???? Granted, given the regional makeup and history , a non democratic government may be the only viable alternative. However if that is the case, and we know there were no WMD’s ….why have we sacrificed over 4000 Americans and thousands of Iraqi’s?

]]> By: Chris http://themoderatevoice.com/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95949 Chris Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:25:48 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/#comment-95949 I said it in response to Michael's post, and I'll say it here again: <strong>It doesn't make any difference if Maliki stays or goes.</strong> It's crazy to think that putting a new person in charge is going to make any difference when you consider just how weak the Iraqi government really is currently. Mohammed himself would likely face 100 to 1 odds of fixing Iraq on an American timetable. I said it in response to Michael’s post, and I’ll say it here again: It doesn’t make any difference if Maliki stays or goes.

It’s crazy to think that putting a new person in charge is going to make any difference when you consider just how weak the Iraqi government really is currently. Mohammed himself would likely face 100 to 1 odds of fixing Iraq on an American timetable.

]]> By: Entropy http://themoderatevoice.com/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/comment-page-1/#comment-95946 Entropy Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:10:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/iraq/14698/bush-doesnt-get-it-bush-gets-it/#comment-95946 I wonder who Bush is speaking to, especially considering that none of the candidates who will likely be President are advocating a pull-out. I wonder who Bush is speaking to, especially considering that none of the candidates who will likely be President are advocating a pull-out.

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