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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Strun-
&quot;we just have a different way of dealing with those problems (one that doesnâ€™t involve sticking our head into the sand and pretending that evil in the world doesnâ€™t exist&quot;
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Since I don&#039;t pretend that evil doesn&#039;t exist, you&#039;ll have to take that questiton up with someone who does.
My comment was an observation about Congress and the American people in general (that wpuld imclide me. as well) in the sense that we tolerate how Congress functions.  Since  I don;t know you, I could hardly assess where you are in the short-sighted and gullibility range.  It was you who chose to make this personal.

I maintain that it is short-sightedness when once having identified that evil exists and we need to fund arms manufacture to fight it,  the needs of civil society and paying attention to how our governement functions seem to disappear from view.

Likewise, I hink a certain gullibility is at play, because some people fall into the trap of believing that if only we acquire enough armament and fight enough wars, all our problems will disappear.

It shouldn;t be either/or.  We should be able to chew gum and think at the same time.

BTW, my comment was an observation about Congress and the American peoplein general, in the swnse that we tolerate how Congress functions.  Since  I don;t know you, I could hardly assess where you are in the short-sighted and gullibility range.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Strun-<br />
&#8220;we just have a different way of dealing with those problems (one that doesnâ€™t involve sticking our head into the sand and pretending that evil in the world doesnâ€™t exist&#8221;<br />
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Since I don&#8217;t pretend that evil doesn&#8217;t exist, you&#8217;ll have to take that questiton up with someone who does.<br />
My comment was an observation about Congress and the American people in general (that wpuld imclide me. as well) in the sense that we tolerate how Congress functions.  Since  I don;t know you, I could hardly assess where you are in the short-sighted and gullibility range.  It was you who chose to make this personal.</p>
<p>I maintain that it is short-sightedness when once having identified that evil exists and we need to fund arms manufacture to fight it,  the needs of civil society and paying attention to how our governement functions seem to disappear from view.</p>
<p>Likewise, I hink a certain gullibility is at play, because some people fall into the trap of believing that if only we acquire enough armament and fight enough wars, all our problems will disappear.</p>
<p>It shouldn;t be either/or.  We should be able to chew gum and think at the same time.</p>
<p>BTW, my comment was an observation about Congress and the American peoplein general, in the swnse that we tolerate how Congress functions.  Since  I don;t know you, I could hardly assess where you are in the short-sighted and gullibility range.</p>
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		<title>By: stevesturm</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevesturm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 12:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick: while both involve the government (us) writing checks, at least defense manufacturers give us something for the money they get.  what do welfare recipients give to society in return for the money they receive? 

and domajot, do you always insult (shortsighted? gullible?) the people who disagree with you?  we&#039;re quite able to deal with the complexity of problems, we just have a different way of dealing with those problems (one that doesn&#039;t involve sticking our head into the sand and pretending that evil in the world doesn&#039;t exist, that all would be fine if we &#039;planned for peace&#039;.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick: while both involve the government (us) writing checks, at least defense manufacturers give us something for the money they get.  what do welfare recipients give to society in return for the money they receive? </p>
<p>and domajot, do you always insult (shortsighted? gullible?) the people who disagree with you?  we&#8217;re quite able to deal with the complexity of problems, we just have a different way of dealing with those problems (one that doesn&#8217;t involve sticking our head into the sand and pretending that evil in the world doesn&#8217;t exist, that all would be fine if we &#8216;planned for peace&#8217;.)</p>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eisenhower warned us back in the 50&#039;s. He was beyond prescient. 

You don&#039;t have to be paranoid or leftist to think the Military Industrial Complex has had a severe, direct, and negative impact on American domestic and international policy, and exerts truly scary power over lawmakers of all stripes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eisenhower warned us back in the 50&#8217;s. He was beyond prescient. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to be paranoid or leftist to think the Military Industrial Complex has had a severe, direct, and negative impact on American domestic and international policy, and exerts truly scary power over lawmakers of all stripes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 03:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;again notwithstanding the views of a delusional minority that spending on social welfare programs would have just as much benefit&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Steve,

It&#039;s funny that you should bring up welfare programs considering that the military industrial complex &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a welfare program--&lt;em&gt;corporate&lt;/em&gt; welfare.  The arms industry is subsidized by American taxpayers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>again notwithstanding the views of a delusional minority that spending on social welfare programs would have just as much benefit</p></blockquote>
<p>Steve,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny that you should bring up welfare programs considering that the military industrial complex <em>is</em> a welfare program&#8211;<em>corporate</em> welfare.  The arms industry is subsidized by American taxpayers.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 01:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peace groups are not as successful as arms manugacturers, because Americans and their Congress are short-sighted and gullible.  
We live in an atmosphere of fear, and finincing arems manufacture is the obvious anti-dote. Peace is always seen as what comes after war, this war, the next war and the war after that.  Peace, like tomorrow, never comes, however.

It&#039;s a real shame, that Congress can&#039;t seem to chew gum and think at the same time.  It seems so elementay to me that to address the needs of armament should not abort  planning for &#039;peace&#039; projects, or to curtail the corruptive influence of all that armaments money floating around, or to do aggressive oversight of the industry.

Neither Congress nor the American public seems able to deal with the complexity of problems we should be addressing, however.  We&#039;re missing the boat on many issues, as a consequence, and it may be too late when we fianlly realize that a missed boat sometimes can never be cuaght.

Besides, armements are a good investment.  Profit rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peace groups are not as successful as arms manugacturers, because Americans and their Congress are short-sighted and gullible.<br />
We live in an atmosphere of fear, and finincing arems manufacture is the obvious anti-dote. Peace is always seen as what comes after war, this war, the next war and the war after that.  Peace, like tomorrow, never comes, however.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a real shame, that Congress can&#8217;t seem to chew gum and think at the same time.  It seems so elementay to me that to address the needs of armament should not abort  planning for &#8216;peace&#8217; projects, or to curtail the corruptive influence of all that armaments money floating around, or to do aggressive oversight of the industry.</p>
<p>Neither Congress nor the American public seems able to deal with the complexity of problems we should be addressing, however.  We&#8217;re missing the boat on many issues, as a consequence, and it may be too late when we fianlly realize that a missed boat sometimes can never be cuaght.</p>
<p>Besides, armements are a good investment.  Profit rules.</p>
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		<title>By: stevesturm</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevesturm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 00:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have high opinions of those in Congress but even I don&#039;t believe they fall for your so-called sanitized version of arms manufacturers.  To the extent Congress passes &#039;favorable&#039; legislation, it is because Congress realizes that, notwithstanding the naive view of such smart pragmatic peace groups that all would be right in the world if only we shut down our defense industry, our arms manufacturers help keep us safe, and, again notwithstanding the views of a delusional minority that spending on social welfare programs would have just as much benefit, defense spending produces jobs, and not because Congress has fallen for some Madison Avenue sell.  

But go ahead and think that it&#039;s all because of some clever marketing that your peace groups can&#039;t get the time of day....  if Congress were truly that impressionable, why aren&#039;t your peace groups putting their money into coming up with some good advertising of their own?  Maybe a commercial where everybody stands around a hilltop, holding hands and singing.... oh, that&#039;s been done... for Coke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have high opinions of those in Congress but even I don&#8217;t believe they fall for your so-called sanitized version of arms manufacturers.  To the extent Congress passes &#8216;favorable&#8217; legislation, it is because Congress realizes that, notwithstanding the naive view of such smart pragmatic peace groups that all would be right in the world if only we shut down our defense industry, our arms manufacturers help keep us safe, and, again notwithstanding the views of a delusional minority that spending on social welfare programs would have just as much benefit, defense spending produces jobs, and not because Congress has fallen for some Madison Avenue sell.  </p>
<p>But go ahead and think that it&#8217;s all because of some clever marketing that your peace groups can&#8217;t get the time of day&#8230;.  if Congress were truly that impressionable, why aren&#8217;t your peace groups putting their money into coming up with some good advertising of their own?  Maybe a commercial where everybody stands around a hilltop, holding hands and singing&#8230;. oh, that&#8217;s been done&#8230; for Coke</p>
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